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North Georgia mountains ride July 18? Anyone game?(29 posts)

North Georgia mountains ride July 18? Anyone game?JS Haiku Shop
Jun 4, 2003 9:15 AM
Ladies and Germs,

I'm planning a 3-4 hour ride in the afternoon on Friday July 18 in the North GA mountains, around Dahlonega.

Tarwheel, Mike P, and I met for a similar ride in November, last year. It was a blast, except for the nasty walking part up Brasstown Bald, and the 30 mph winds and ice at the observatory. :)

Anyone interested in a mini-gathering for a 35-50 miler?

-J
no, no, not brasstown bald again!!!tarwheel
Jun 4, 2003 9:19 AM
If someone tries to talk you into riding to the top of brasstown bald, turn and run (or cycle) away as fast as you can. You are really into suffering if you would do that ride again, JS.
I might be down for that.Damn
Jun 4, 2003 9:26 AM
I'd like to go but I can't commit just yet. My wife just gave birth to my son this past Friday so I'll have to see how she handles being alone with the new born and my daughter this weekend. I go away for a triathlon this weekend and another on June 28th. I don't have anything in July so I hope I can make it. Hills sound good to me. I want to do the six gap century this year so I need to scout those mountains out.
sounds like fun if the ole suburban will make it....abicirider
Jun 4, 2003 9:23 AM
you can count me in would love to meet you guys as long as the good ole 1989 suburban will make it from the charlotte, nc area.
here is my email j so you have it as we get closer to the 18th
USCF3@mindspring.com
Be Safe Out On The Roads!!!!!!!
Ray Still
Mooresville, NC
Dang it anyhow!!TNSquared
Jun 4, 2003 10:09 AM
I'll just be back from two weeks of vacation. There's no way I could get off work for this.

Or is there? Hmmmmmm.....

I'd love to go, but I don't know if it's in the cards. Or if I could really survive this ride.
I wish I still lived in Georgia...noveread
Jun 4, 2003 10:32 AM
OHHH YEEEAH, JS!!!Mike P
Jun 4, 2003 10:33 AM
I have been back a number of times since we were there and have come up with a pretty good route. I park at Vogel State Park, yes it is $2 to park but heck, it goes to something; restroom facilities, a little lake to jump in, and etc. The last time I went I did the back loop of the 6-Gap and tossed in Wolfpen Gap for good measure. I don't recall milage/time/elevation gain, I'll check the log and let you know. This route works out real well if Hogpen Gap kills you. . . you pass Vogel SP at the base of Wolfpen; if you gotta bail, you're there.

I'm going to talk you into the Cherohala ride one of these days!

Mike
would be most appreciated...JS Haiku Shop
Jun 4, 2003 10:43 AM
a few of the gang are driving from memphis for the cherohala ride. it's too close to a couple others (harpeth, for one) for me to make another out of town trip. i'm trying to take it easy after all the IL rides early this year.

you know, i was hoping to ride hogpen again. i might not make it to the 6-gap this year. routes, splits, etc. would be most handy. thanks!

-J
52 miles and 6000 feet of scenic pain.Mike P
Jun 4, 2003 11:40 AM
That is Jacks Gap, Unicoi, Hogpen and Wolfpen (Vogel/129/180/75/348/180). I made it in 3:30. Could do Neals Gap instead of Wolfpen but I think Wolfpen is a much better ride.

Let me know what you think of meeting at Vogel SP instead of where we met last time.

Mike
vogelJS Haiku Shop
Jun 4, 2003 11:48 AM
vogel sounds good. likely i would be dropped off with the bike and picked up later, so it really doesn't matter too much where we start.

I suppose jumping into a lake after a mid-july ride would be a celebrated event!
oh and by the wayJS Haiku Shop
Jun 4, 2003 11:51 AM
don't expect me to complete that 52mi/6k' in 3.5 hours, unless i'm doing it on a motorcycle or perhaps a fast riding lawn mower (with beer helmet). what was our average speed last time, over what miles and elevation gain? it was pretty darned low, but i don't recall the stats.

-J (climbs like a stone)
I found it.Mike P
Jun 4, 2003 3:46 PM
3 hours riding, 41 miles, just over 5000 ft elevation gain.

Are you wanting to ride Brasstown again? It's a bit steep. . . see if that new mustard-mobile can make it up that one and save the legs for the hog and the wolf.

Brasstown Bald will bust your balls,
DO-DA, DO-DA,
Brasstown Bald will make you crawl,
All the Do-Da Day!

Mike
I might be able to make it but ...bianchi boy
Jun 4, 2003 6:39 PM
Please, please, no Brasstown Bald again. Anything but that. Falling over sideways because I can't turn the cranks is just too humiliating for me.

Hint to JS: ride your lightweight bike this time and leave the Carradice bag at home. Put a 13-29 cassette on the Merckx and you'll drop me like a rock.
then Ray climbs like a 3000lb boulder nmabicirider
Jun 4, 2003 5:47 PM
How do hogpen, wolfpen gaps compare with brasstown climb?tarwheel
Jun 5, 2003 10:06 AM
I had no problems with Jacks and Unicoi gaps -- they were just long and fairly steep. But how do Hogpen and Wolfpen compare to the final 3 miles up Brasstown? That's what got to me -- the utter steepness of the road. I can handle the long climbs but the really steep stuff does me in.
How do hogpen, wolfpen gaps compare with brasstown climb?JS Haiku Shop
Jun 5, 2003 10:19 AM
if i remember right, there's some steep stuff on hogpen, but nothing as steep as that section halfway up brasstown (the part where we walked). there is some stuff on hogpen like the top 1/2 mile to the brasstown observatory, maybe a little less severe.

the hogpen gap climb is 7 miles, i think the first couple miles are rolling, but miles 2-7 are pretty steep. there are i believe some 18% grades in there, and the average gradient of that climb is pretty tough. on the century, they put a SAG halfway up. the road up includes mile markers (1,2,...7). the descent is something out of those Alps stages of old TdF tapes.

for some reason, i found wolfpen more brutal than hogpen. perhaps because hogpen is mostly a put-your-head-down-and-grind ascent, where wolfpen was more of a "technical" climb. i can't remember exactly, but i think there were some nasty roads and switchbacks on wolfpen.

from the 6-gap website:

NGCSU start - Elev. 1450

Neels Gap - Elev. 3109, 23 Miles

Jacks Gap - Elev. 3020, 35 Miles

Unicoi Gap - Elev. 2949, 44 Miles

Hogpen Gap - Elev. 3490, 63 Miles

Wolfpen Gap - Elev. 3280, 78 Miles

Woody Gap - Elev. 3180, 87 Miles
Not as steep as Brasstown.Mike P
Jun 6, 2003 3:48 AM
JS is correct. Hogpen is steep at points but nothing like Brasstown. It just goes on forever; and, yes, the view nearly startled me the first time there. It was one of those "Where am I?" things.
Wolfpen is a smaller, less traveled road with a number of steep sections (still less steep than Brasstown). Wolfpen is a nice compliment to Hogpen, in a sadistic sense, leaving you with a slightly salty aftertaste and a nice lactic acid buildup in the legs.

Mike
thanks, this makes me feel sooooo much bettertarwheel
Jun 6, 2003 4:40 AM
Sounds like sheer rather than utter misery. I'll try to make it, though, particularly if I am successful in my quest to lose 10 more pounds. This will give me some more incentive. Keep me posted at jetmather@msn.com. I am always looking for a good excuse to head back to the N. Georgia mountains and see my family.

I am going on a walking tour in Ireland wih my wife and daughter in early July, so a lot depends on whether I am able to take a Friday off after being on vacation for 2 weeks. I've got the leave available, but might be too busy after returning to work.
I'm going tomorrow...katie1
Jun 4, 2003 10:54 AM
Actually, I go most weekends but happen to have tomorrow off. :)

It better not rain!
Family gathering vs. bike ride in mtns. Hmmm.....mosovich
Jun 4, 2003 1:21 PM
Sounds awesome, I wonder how much crap I'd get if I missed my sister in laws wedding for this? I've gotta come up with a good story for the wife.....
I'd like to join youheckman
Jun 4, 2003 6:27 PM
if site lurkers are also invited. I'm signed up to do Six Gap and would like to check out the route in advance, in addition to meeting some of you all. We don't have many hills here in Jacksonville, so I would probably be pulling up the rear. I'm ok with a map, so as long as there is a route sheet, I'd be fine. Please let me know if the ride is a go. My email is lheckel@visus.jnj.com .

Larry
everyone is invited, lurkers too! :)JS Haiku Shop
Jun 5, 2003 5:47 AM
of course, the more the merrier!

i'll e-mail you as the date draws closer.

-J
ROUTEJS Haiku Shop
Jun 5, 2003 5:52 AM
Mike's route is sounding good to me (no Brasstown):

52 miles, 6k feet, Jacks Gap, Unicoi, Hogpen, and Wolfpen (Vogel/129/180/75/348/180)

beware, hogpen will eat your lunch, and the descent is no gift after all that granny groveling.

anyone opposed?
Sounds awesome maybe time for a triple up front.....abicirider
Jun 5, 2003 6:19 AM
Sounds like a great meeting ride plan j looking forward to it it is about 295 driving miles each way from where I live in NC.
Maybe this will be the ride to try out the new Truvativ triple Road crank I picked up on Ebay.

Also I will have all the tools if there are any mechanical issues before or after the ride.

Looking forward to meeting everyone just keep me informed as the date draws closer.

Be Safe out on The roads!!!!!!
Ray Still
Mooresville, NC
Email. USCF3@mindspring.com
triple unnecessary, unless you're fond of your kneesJS Haiku Shop
Jun 5, 2003 6:40 AM
of course i rode 30/32 on hogpen during last year's 6-gap, and 39/29 on this year's 3 state in chattahoochie. expect 30/32 again on our "Roadbike Review 52", as i'm still having knee pain as a result of 8k/climbing with a 39 up front. hogpen is burkhalter gap's mean older brother.
Sounds good to me.Mike P
Jun 5, 2003 7:20 AM
I think this will be a good choice for the route for a number of reasons. It is a great area to ride, you get to do a little climbing (HA!), if the loop kills you or time runs short, you get to the parking area before the last climb (Wolfpen). While it's true Hogpin is going to eat your ham, I like Wolfpen just as well; I like the one lane wide thing at the top.

We just need to come up with a time to meet.

It is possble to make with a double up front and a ?x27 on the rear. A triple might be a good thing though.

Mike
re:timeJS Haiku Shop
Jun 5, 2003 7:50 AM
i'm not sure on time, yet. depends on what time i'm able to get out of town, which is up in the air right now. will advise as more info is availble.

;)
re:timeDamn
Jun 5, 2003 3:14 PM
Well here's my email so keep me up to date on what's going on.
c3gagnier@wmconnect.com.

I'm hoping to do the ride on with a 39/26 on a 19 1/2 lbs. bike. I can bring my bike with a triple, but that weighs 24 1/2 lbs. What to do, what to do....
my triple-equipped bikeJS Haiku Shop
Jun 6, 2003 5:17 AM
weighs in at approximately that.

i'd rather have the gears and suffer a few extra pounds.

then again, riding the 39/29 is a tempting thought.