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Heron or SuperCorsa?(14 posts)

Heron or SuperCorsa?WhoisJohnGalt
Jun 1, 2003 7:18 AM
I'm trying to put together a "more comfortable" road bike. My idea is to take a traditional road frame like the Cinelli SuperCorsa and put a higher stem on it so my seat and bar height would almost at the same height...But then I've followed some posts here on the board, especially regarding the Heron road series bike, and it seems like the Heron would be exactly what I'm looking for.
I'm 46, in good shape, and ride about 3k per year. My style is riding for fitness. No racing, just long rides to get my heart rate up and keep off the pounds. My current bike (Trek 2300) "fits" but with about a 3.5 inch drop from seat to bars.

Is the geometry of the Heron for example that much different from my Trek? I've really enjoyed the biking over the last few years, but am looking for a little more comfortable ride...Any suggestions?....Thanks!
Throw another one into the mix --Gregory Taylor
Jun 1, 2003 7:44 AM
Have you looked at Rivendell's Ramboulliet? It's a "traditional" lugged road frame, very high quality, and just beautiful. This popped up on my radar screen because I bumped into MB1 (and Miss M) on Friday, and he was astride his new Ramboulliet.

Definately worth checking out.
Have you looked at the Rivendell site?Lone Gunman
Jun 1, 2003 7:48 AM
This is the philosophy at Rivendell as far as stem and seat height. Also their philosophy sort of fits your thinking. Granted they are expensive frames/bikes, Heron may be doing the same thing, I have never checked his site. It seems that you might also be searching for a bike with a traditional headset so you don't end up with about 3-4" of spacers. Rivendell sells parts that may be of interest to you.
Both are Grant Peterson designedRay Sachs
Jun 1, 2003 10:21 AM
He originally did the Heron as a lower priced alternative to the Rivendell, but with the same design philosophy. Then he sold Heron and started making the Atlantis and Rambouillet (and now Romulus) for the "lower" end. They're all great frames. Don't discount the importance of longer chainstays. Its not just about chainline and tire clearance either - they can make a bike feel a lot more stable and relaxed, even at speed.

-Ray
I did the same thing this year...Dave Hickey
Jun 1, 2003 8:23 AM
I'm 45 and my riding style is very similar to yours. This spring i bought a Cinelli Super Corsa and don't regret it a all. I think any good steel frame will give you the ride quality but the biggest change is going back to a quill stem. You can raise a quill stem to the minimum insertion line and it doesn't look as strange as threadless with a ton of spacers. If you end up going with the Cinelli, don't cut down the fork. Even though it's threaded, I put a spacer below the nut and it give me another 1 cm of height. The attached picture shows the red scacer.
I like that DaveWalter
Jun 1, 2003 1:04 PM
Over the last year or so I've played with a # of different ideas to raise the bars on my Colnago Master. Recently I just went ahead and used a Technomic. Solves the problem nicely but I must admit your solution looks better or at least more "normal." If ever I replace the forks I'll use your spacer idea along with an ITM stem in my parts box.
re: Heron or SuperCorsa?desmo
Jun 1, 2003 8:25 AM
Depends on the fit. But I'd go with a traditional 1" threaded headset/fork, and a frame on the large size. This will allow even saddle/bar height without ruining the look of the bike.
re: Heron or SuperCorsa?Steve Bailey
Jun 1, 2003 9:37 AM
Hmmm...

I've ridden a Heron Road for 3,000 miles now ?, and it's a fine bike. Does eveything I want as it's set up for rough hilly rides with Ruffy Tuffy's and a triple. It's a fairly stable bike, just a touch twitchier then my Lemond Ti, but that's mostly as it's probably a tad too long in the TT and has a 100mm stem, which most likely quickens the handling, which I only notice on fast downhills.

Mine's setup with a B17 and a H-bar dead level with the seat, and doesn't require a Technomic stem. The raised TT and longer HT gets the bar to a comfortable height.

You might also look at the Rivendell Rambouillet, which is about the same price (for now), just a bit slacker in the HT and ST angles, plus a longer wheelbase and chainstays.
Takes bigger tires with fenders and can take advantage of the recent Shimano Ultegra dual pivot standard reach brakes. Only comes in a nice orange though, where the Heron has 4 nice choices.

As to different geometry then the Trek ?, the Heron and Rambouillet have longer wheel bases, longer chainstay's, significantly more tire clearance, slacker HT and ST angles (though the Heron's HT angle is probably the same as the Trek), and lower bottom brackets - which are the single most significant difference and which probably does the most to make these bikes seem more stable. Longer chainstays can be a real advantage, by the way, if running triple cranks, as the chain angles are reduced and allow better gearing choices without rub on adjacent rings or on the derailer.

Tough call..

Steve B.
re: Heron or SuperCorsa?Heron Todd
Jun 1, 2003 10:02 AM
Just to add a little to the discussion, the Heron has a longer fork and head tube than most road bikes of a similar size. The top tube slopes upward at 2 degrees and places the top of the head tube about 2 cm higher than normal. Additionally, the steerer is left a little long so you can add 1 cm or so of spacers if you'd like.

The longer wheelbase and round blade fork means a smoother ride than most. You can also fit fairly fat tires and/or fenders. If you are also interested in the Rivendell bikes, I have a brief comparison of the Herons, the Atlantis, and the Rambouillet on the FAQ page of our website.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
http://www.heronbicycles.com

Vanilla?gtx
Jun 1, 2003 11:51 AM
I know nothing about this guy, but looks interesting

http://www.vanillabicycles.com/
Stick with the HeronMR_GRUMPY
Jun 1, 2003 5:03 PM
If you're not going to race, why not get a bike that you can put larger tires on. If you pump up 700X28's they will last for a long time and will roll pretty fast. The Heron has a larger than normal head tube, so you won't need many spacers to get the stem level with the seat. The Cinelli is more of a retro race bike. 10 year old technology, along with steep geometry. It looks nice, but is that what you want?
re: Heron because:colker
Jun 1, 2003 5:29 PM
cinelli is a niiice bike and i ride something similar. point is, it's not much differrent from your trek, geometry wise. it's a "modern" (80's) race bike. the heron has longer chainstays= comfort. a low bottom bracket= subtle handling and a longer top tube than the cinelli for setting your bars higher without losing cockpit space nor using loooong stems (moving bars up reduces your saddle to bar distance).
problem is: after riding the heron, you'll probably want to have the cinelli as your racing bike, to substitute your trek. you will want another lugged steel ride.
re: Heron or SuperCorsa?tarwheel
Jun 2, 2003 5:30 AM
I think you'll find a big improvement with a Heron, Ramboillet or Cinelli Super Corsa compared to the Trek. Many cyclists prefer the ride of steel over aluminum. Trek's also have short headtubes, making it difficult if not impossible to raise your handlebars level with the saddle (unless you use a riser stem with tons of spacers).

To me, the issues boil down to what you will be using the bike for. If all you are doing are fitness rides, the Cinelli would be a great choice. However, if you want more versatility -- like being able to install fenders and racks -- the Heron or Ramboillet would be better. Personally, I think the Rambo is hard to beat. It has a beautiful paint scheme and color, eyelets for fenders and racks, pump peg, nice relaxed geometry. It probably weighs a little more than the Heron or Cinelli but not much. The Heron might suit you better if you like long top tubes, but I like them shorter. The Rambo is about 1 cm shorter across the top.

If you would consider a custom, check out the frames at www.lyonsport.com. Lyon will build you a custom steel frame w/ carbon or steel fork for about $800. He can build with threaded or threadless stem, and can install eyelets, extended headtubes, or whatever else you want for no extra cost. There are a few Lyon frames at www.gvhbikes.com for about $700.
I almost forgot.......MR_GRUMPY
Jun 2, 2003 10:07 AM
One other bike to look at, is the Gunnar "Sport Touring"
A lot like the Heron, except tig welded. Very Hi-Tech steel.
Check out Gunnar on the Web.