|What's with this surprise that roadies are P##cks?||eschelon|
May 30, 2003 10:26 AM
|I mean, just because we ride bikes, we're somehow indoctrinated into the be nice club? Yes, there are jerks in this sport. Is that really a surprise? I mean, there are plenty of jerks where I work at...hell, I'm a driver of an automobile, and I have seen my fair share of jerks. I have many family members who are jerks.|
May 30, 2003 10:51 AM
|I agree, we cyclist seem to think that there is a contant stigma against us that is just sooooooo untrue, and thats it is shocking when ever it is proven true.
I dont get it.
Also have a few family jerks...lol
|Wanna see a heavy concentration of jerks? Go to a Softball game.||lonebikeroftheapocalypse|
May 30, 2003 12:07 PM
|Yesterday I saw a rider and didn't wave. The loud hello I heard behind me snapped me back into reality. The guy probably thought I was a jerk. I was just somewhere else. I promise not to judge other riders harshly when they don't answer back from now on.|
May 30, 2003 12:08 PM
|I am genuinely friendly to people I see on bikes. They all get the benfit of the doubt. Unfortunately, some people think that because we rides bikes we have to be all brotherly to each other. They think we should have big group hugs at the start of every club ride. Then, when someone disses them, they get all bent outa shape and start saying roadies are pwicks.
They need to realize we are all individuals that just happen to share a common interest. Don't expect everyone on a bike to be your best friend. Similarly, I don't go into a bar thinking that any woman drinking the same beer as me is an easy score.
If we cross paths on the road I'll wave. If you don't wave back I won't get all bent about it.
May 30, 2003 1:18 PM
|Part of the problem is there's more disappointment in people from whom we hope for better. It's kind of like when somebody in your family is obnoxious it's far more embarassing than a stranger doing the same thing. Saying hi to a passing cyclists says, for me, "I'm with ya, brother/sister." Getting no response is kind of like hearing "no you're not!"
I don't take it personally, or get upset, because I'm sure I've done the same thing when I've been lost in space or fatigued or breathing too hard to answer, but that is my response. If I've encountered overt rudeness from cyclists, I've been oblivious to it, which is fine with me.
May 30, 2003 4:05 PM
|Riding makes me feel good, ergo, I find the need to express this to other riders. If other riders use the sport and their prowess at it to bolster there own flimsy egos, then so be it. I can't control their response, only mine. If they decide to ignore my waves or verbal howdys, well, let's just say I'm not going to let it ruin my day.
OTOH, I know I have zoned out while riding and ignored other people when passing them in either direction, and may have passed them close because of a particular line I was riding, not meaning anything at all to them. This doesn't necessarily mean I'm rude, but it may mean I am someone who takes his efforts at this sport somewhat seriously, and can sometimes let this intensity make me forget that there are other users of the biking surface. I just think that no matter how serious we roadies take this sport, we ought to be able to at least try to share the road with an older couple riding together on their beach cruisers.
|Beer drinking women: You obviously don't drink Heineken ;-) nm||Spunout|
May 31, 2003 5:47 AM
May 30, 2003 12:24 PM
|We sound like a bunch of hand-wringing bed-wetters. Rude people are neither restricted nor drawn to cycling. Personally, I see very few rude cyclists, so I don't really understand the complaints. However, if you encounter a rude cyclist, then deal with it. I don't need to hear about it any more than I need to hear about the motorist who cut you off or the trash collector who knocked over your garbage can. That bast@rd.|
|I agree TOO!||The Human G-Nome|
May 30, 2003 1:16 PM
|f/kn trash collecting bastards!|
|Agree. Just Because Someone Rides A Bike...||Gregory Taylor|
May 30, 2003 12:31 PM
|...doesn't make them some sort of guru or saint or wise-man. Nor does it make them a jerk, or an a$$hole. If you want to suspend the stereotype for a moment, I was riding home on Wednesday and saw one of Bill's teammates (Squadra Coppi) stopping on the trail to help a guy on a hybrid fix a flat. He didn't have to do that, especially for a guy that any racer worth his shaved legs would classify as a "Fred".|
|but i would pick a fight with the a$$h*(() described below.||colker|
May 30, 2003 12:42 PM
|shouting at a woman who was peacefully riding her bike? hmmm.. make my day. i can shout too. plpus, those idiots represent ME when wearing jerseys so feel obliged to doctrinate...|
|However, In over 13-years of Running...||serbski|
May 30, 2003 12:59 PM
|...I have only *once* had somebody make a smart-arsed comment to me about pace and this was during a race (and I was in the process of dusting said wiseguy anyway, esp. after that remark!) and I found it pretty shocking though motivating. I hate to say it but when I'm out riding (as opposed to when running) it seems like roadies eyeball/size-up each other like groups of kids on the schoolyard: "what's he/she riding? are they a member of a team/club? do they look fit? do they *deserve* that bike?!" Of course, some of this stuff goes thru my head whenever I see somebody while I'm out training for I think that it's human nature to wonder if the other guy/girl, in a race situation, would trounce you etc. but to actually make a sh*tty remark to another is totally inexcusable. The strange belief that one can only *earn* the right to own a nice bike is ludicrous. Should I comment on every overweight "walker" I pass who is wearing $200-plus New Balance shoes because they haven't run a sub-3 marathon (or any race for that matter?). *Who cares*?! At least the person with full USPS kit/bike is out doing something to reduce their risk of becoming yet another casualty of the sedentary American Heart Attack Lifestyle. I don't expect people to wave and greet me like a long-lost relative but when I'm out running in the Angeles Nat'l Forest and come upon another runner we do exchange quick pleasantries and certainly do not belittle one another because one of us has more expensive shoes/hydration pack etc. (but isn't "doing them justice" by running faster?!). As one who lives on both sides of the running/cycling fence I have to say that I've already met dozens of weenies while riding whereas in running I just can't say the same. You all may not care or might simply think that I'm a communal tree-hugging goon but the roadie rep is well-deserved. BTW, I absolutely dig riding and wouldn't give it up for the world and have met plenty of nice people, it's just that I've met an almost equal number of not-so-nice types as well...|
|I dont know man...||sctri|
May 30, 2003 1:28 PM
|I think at higher levels of running there is just as much snobbery.
At least I have found... (or at least with people who think they are at the higher levels of running)
Some of the gear assesment isnt there, but the sizing up, posturing, egos and attitudes are all present.
But that being said, most of the best people I know are active in some capacity and I have bet through one sport or another.
|I'd forgotten about that.||Spoke Wrench|
May 31, 2003 4:28 AM
|This goes back a couple of decades, but when I started running, I initially got lots of helpful advice from the guys in my running club. As I got to where I could almost keep up with most of them, the helpful advice gradually dried up.
Now I worked the world's worst training program. I basically ran the same 8 mile hilly route at about 85% of race speed every day. I'm positive that some of those guys could have given me coaching advice that would have made me a lot faster. That, however, might have resulted in me catching them or maybe even passing them so it just wasn't going to happen.
|Try NASCAR hahahahhah LMAO "nm"||CARBON110|
May 30, 2003 1:14 PM
|otoh, ime, the CX crowd are generally very nice people||weiwentg|
May 30, 2003 2:46 PM
|...and oddly enough, they're mainly roadies.|
|Weird, but true...||The Walrus|
May 30, 2003 4:19 PM
|...I've often marvelled at how there's virtually no trolling, flaming or abuse on the cyclocross board. There must be something therapeutic about going anaerobic for an hour while immersed in mud.|
|Just let it go, man. (nm)||Mariowannabe|
May 30, 2003 5:50 PM