|10 speed chain repairs on the road?||pessot|
May 30, 2003 10:17 AM
|I'm about to get a Chorus group for my GIOS.
I'm on the fence about 9sp or 10sp.
My question is about Campy's 10 speed chain.
I hear that you need some fancy, $75 tool for removing
the 10 speed chain. Is this true? Does this also mean
I can't fix my chain out on a ride if it breaks?
|I think that's pretty much what it means. I think that, in a||bill|
May 30, 2003 10:30 AM
|bind, you could rig something that will get you home, but then, unless you later can remove the busted links and replace with the replacement links they're selling now to use with the new permalink system, the chain is toast.
A new chain is like $35. The replacement links are $16. You should get a new chain.
I had one chain break on me at the permalink at about 3,000 miles. Fortunately I was just a few blocks from a bike shop (that chain cost me $60, about which I wasn't all that happy, although I guess beggars can't be choosers and all that).
The problem, by the way, requiring the fancy schmantzy tool is not with removing the chain. It's for putting it on. The tolerances are so tight that Campy doesn't trust conventional pin technology for attaching the links. Or so they say.
|re: 10 speed chain repairs on the road?||russw19|
May 30, 2003 10:36 AM
|Just buy a Connex link and keep it in your seat bag. They will cost you about $10. If you don't want to use it and only trust the Campy link, then just keep it as an emergency link. If the chain breaks, use it to get you home. Or you could just install it and use it. I do with my Campy 10 chain on my Record 10 Group. I haven't had any problems.
|re: 10 speed chain repairs on the road?||tigermilk|
May 30, 2003 11:36 AM
|Skip the campy chain and go with Whipperman Connex. You can find them for $25-40 usually, and they've lasted at least twice as long as the Campy Record chains for me. Plus you can use an ordinary chain tool.|
|Stainless steel not good on cogs||tmguy|
May 30, 2003 11:47 AM
|I remember reading on this board (was it Doug Sloan?) that the Connex resulted in excessive wear on the record Ti and Ti Steel cogs (As I recall he was trying to give away the cassettes.) If that is true, then something to consider.
I am looking to replace my 10 speed chain and hoping it does not necessitate buying the tool. I would consider the Connex connector. However, I feel better doing what is reccomended by the manufacturer i.e. using the Permalink. THe "old" 10 speed chain could be installed with a standard chain tool; you just had to careful to go slow. The "new" for '03, is different. I haven't seen anyone's post on installing the new chain with a standard tool.
Will someone please be the guinea pig?
May 30, 2003 11:58 AM
|Buy the 10spd chain, remove the permalink with a regular chain tool. Then install the Wipperman connex link and carry a spare. I think they are about $7 at Branfordbike.com That's what I've been doing for 3+ years. I learned the hardway - my permalink broke away from home. Luckily, another guy in my group carried a spare Wipperman connex link. It's installed by hand in about 10 seconds.|
|I dispense with the special link and tool altogether...||miposy|
May 30, 2003 12:38 PM
|...and have had no problems since the Campy link broke two weeks after I installed it. That was 3,000 miles ago.
I use a regular chain tool and a regular link from the chain, all contrary to what Campy says to do. I think what they are really saying is buy our insanely priced link and special tool.
May 30, 2003 4:03 PM
|I've been using my 20yo Cyclo chain tool on the 10spd chain too.....I've also used the Park chain tool.....I'm not sophisticated enough to know the downside...I just know it's been working for the last 3 years....Campy wants you to believe that it's something special, but it's a D@MN CHAIN!!!!!|
|I used to do that too||PaulCL|
May 31, 2003 4:36 AM
|But I want to be able to remove my chain easily, so I went for the Connex connector.|
|10 speed Connex $4.95 from Performance Bike. nm||Juanmoretime|
May 30, 2003 12:04 PM
|re: 10 speed chain repairs on the road?||flying|
May 30, 2003 3:13 PM
|Didn't Campy do away with the permalink?
I think they yse something called HD pin now?
Anyway I have 7000+ miles on my Chorus 10sp chain
I got rid of the permalink right off cause I like to remove my chain everytime I clean the bike ( weekly)
I just use that gold link to reinstall by hand.
|re: 10 speed chain repairs on the road?||GregJ|
May 30, 2003 3:57 PM
|I have been using a regular chain tool on 10 speed chains for 2 and a half years. I have never had a problem and it is no more difficult than using a chain tool on any old chain that I have had in the past. The perma-link failed quickly on my original chain and the shop mechanic told me if I was proficient with a chain tool not to worry. I did have to do a bit of filing on the chain tool to make it fit into the narrower gap of the 10 chain. I will say however that a surprising number of experienced cyclists I have come across do not know how to properly use a chain tool and you have a little less room for error on the C-10 chain when loosening the link with the tool. I have gotten over 5k miles on each C-10 chain I have had and over 10k miles on the cassette, which is not bad. Maybe it helps make up for the high cost of these parts.|
|How do you use a chain tool improperly?||MikeBiker|
May 30, 2003 6:16 PM
|It's a rather simple tool.
|How do you use a chain tool improperly?||GregJ|
May 30, 2003 6:50 PM
|One of 2 things, either being sloppy about the position of the pin, i.e either pushing too far through or not far enough, or more commonly not loosening the tight link or trying to do so by bending the links back and forth instead of using the center stop on the chain tool.|| |