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On the subject of comments made when passing....(30 posts)

On the subject of comments made when passing....DY
May 29, 2003 1:34 PM
While I've never had anyone make a nasty comment when passing me....I have had some made when we passed others.

I wonder what the psychology is behind it?

I remember one particular day a friend and I were riding behind some of the Schroder Iron team (4 riders). They were riding really slow on a flat (18 mph or so) We followed them for a about 5 miles. I guess we stayed behind because we thought "these guys are pros" and to me it sucks to pass someone and then get passed right back....so we just kind of hung back. Finally we had to pass them though.

As we passed one of the guys had to make a derogatory remark. Something like "Wow...what speed...turn on the power!" Of course he was being sarcastic.

I don't know much about the team or who is on the team, but there used to be a particularly obnoxious member with a big mouth. He was easy to spot because he always wore white time trial shoe covers...... He was the one that made the comment. I'd seen him before whistling at girls or screaming at cars. I have no idea if he is still on the team or what his name is.

I always remember this incident as strange that we slowed down to give then some "professional courtesy" and had it thrown back in our faces.....Now I just pass who ever is in my way....(but I still give a friendly nod or a hello) :)
re: On the subject of comments made when passing....purplepaul
May 29, 2003 1:43 PM
It's amazing how such a simple thing gets all entangled with one's ego. I always feel uncomfortable passing because I've had so many experiences where the guy would pass me back, then slow down, so I'd pass him again, back and forth. I hate that, though I try really hard to just do my pace and not be competitive. But some people are just too competitive for their own good. They don't seem to realize that being passed doesn't mean anything personal. However, since you can't control what their reaction is going to be, I agree, just do your pace and say hello in the friendliest possible voice.
re: On the subject of comments made when passing....The Human G-Nome
May 29, 2003 2:11 PM
man, that is so lame. it's easy to tell what someone's motivation for riding is sometimes. in his case, it's completely wrapped up in his ego. he couldn't stand the thought that maybe someone thought they were better at something then he was. you'd think that with his skills he'd be able to just chill and not have to compete with every amateur cylist out there. it kind of does my heart good to see just how much he must loathe recovery rides. it means that so much of his time on the bike must be miserable. the sorry sod.
re: On the subject of comments made when passing....The Human G-Nome
May 29, 2003 2:17 PM
i remember i was on a climb once and some guy took off like a bat trying to beat everyone to the top of what was probably about 2 miles. you could tell he was exerting close to maximum effort and although he was still in the saddle, he was pushing a huge gear at very low cadence. i rode his wheel for a little while and then commented "man, you push a huge gear." i think he was kind of put off by my comment though because he picked it up even more until he just completely blew himself up about 500 yards before the crest. it seemed inevitable at the cadence he was riding while in the saddle. i kind of felt bad passing him at that point because he had obviously invested a ton in that climb but he caught back up to me on the flats and we talked for awhile and he was a pretty cool guy. in retrospect, i should have just shut up and let him ride though.
Sounds like good training to me ...Humma Hah
May 29, 2003 3:17 PM
... I see a lot of advice on correct methods to do this and that, but there's much to be said for doing things wrong on occasion. Too high a gear, attacking a hill too fast, too low a gear, climbing a hill at a snail's pace ...

How you ever gonna find your optimum pace if you don't try un-optimum?

Too high a gear: strength training.

Too low a gear: spin training.

Attack a hill so fast you blow up: VO2-max interval.

Making a dumb mistake in front of other riders: an unforgettable lesson.
Sounds like good training to me ...The Human G-Nome
May 29, 2003 3:41 PM
he wasn't just "building strength" or interval training. after talking to him it turns out that was just his "style". to each his own, but it seems the word cadence should be thrown in there every once in awhile just to change things up a bit. if you've been riding awhile you can usually get a good idea when someone is "just spinning" or interval training. his excuse ended up being "i just drank too much last night."
Words of a sage, Humma. (nm)Fredrico
May 30, 2003 11:25 AM
I've just learned ALL the excuses for making dumb mistakes.(nm)Humma Hah
May 30, 2003 11:40 AM
nm
re: On the subject of comments made when passing....jtolleson
May 29, 2003 2:37 PM
I have jokingly said (okay, even sincerely said) "you're making me look bad!" when I get passed by a strong rider.

Passing others, I rarely say more than "on your left" or "hello" unless it is clearly a new rider on maybe a hard climb, then I've certainly said words of encouragement (and hoped that they didn't sound patronizing).

It is a certain kind of dance, isn't it?
re: On the subject of comments made when passing....PdxMark
May 29, 2003 3:15 PM
On the road I like to say a hello as I pass. I ride across a bridge each day, on the sidewalk, so there's not much room. There I ring my geek bell and just go by...

If I come up behind someone who I could pass, but maybe not open up distance on, then I'll hang back, to one side... not drafting, but not wanting to start the passing back & forth thing
Watch for the telltale signs of testosterone poisoning ...Humma Hah
May 29, 2003 3:11 PM
... some guys have this faint blue fog hanging about them. Makes them whistle at girls, brag about the bootie they've had, and hate being passed when the coach said it was time for a recovery spin.

It ain't his fault ... its a medical condition.

;-)
a guy went nuts the other day when i passed himgsgal
May 29, 2003 3:31 PM
i was riding behind him for a while bc i knew we were coming up on some hills and i didn't want to go back and forth. so i rode behind him for a while. i always try to make a little noise just so they know i'm around. i snapped my gum and coughed even. but he was going too slow.

finally, i said 'passing', and then came up, saying, 'on your left' to warn him again and he just started yelling at me, going absolutely NUTSO. he yelled at me for several yards about how i shouldn't pass him and i should stay behind. we went another 8 or so miles with him behind me the whole way, and as i pulled to the side to flip at my turnaround point, he slowed down and started yelling at me again. this was on an isolated bike trail so this time i was scared and yelled a few choice words to get him off my back. but he kept yelling as he rode away, telling me to shut the f up... and many other things.

i have no idea what his problem was. but he was completely psychotic the way he screamed at me. i didn't cut him off, and i couldn't have scared him. everyone else said thanks to me when i came up and passed the rest of the ride so i dont know what the problem was.
a guy went nuts the other day when i passed himThe Human G-Nome
May 29, 2003 3:46 PM
his problem was that he's an idiot.
re: On the subject of comments made when passing....Bike Fool
May 29, 2003 4:20 PM
Without reading everyone's posts, I'd just like to say, please, at least give the overtakee an "on your left" a few yards back... Nothing irritates more than to be cruising along in my own reverie to get a "Hey" on my left shoulder as some fellow cyclist comes blowing by me, testosterone/estrogen pumped or not. Common courtesy, guys and gals...
why does that irritate you?collinsc
May 29, 2003 4:38 PM
really, why?
'Cause it scares the crap outta me!!!! nmBowWow
May 29, 2003 10:31 PM
Yeah I especially like,Dwayne Barry
May 30, 2003 2:38 AM
when you call "on your left" and the incompetent bike rider (or even walker/jogger) turn to look and swing their bike/body to the left right into your path.

I've concluded that if going a good bit faster than rider/walker it's better to just give them a wide berth and get by them before they know you're there. Much safer.
agree...stealth approach is much safer NMFrith
May 30, 2003 5:22 AM
That's what I do...biknben
May 30, 2003 5:27 AM
I give a wide berth (sp?) and just go past. Once I know they can see me I say hello or wave. Saying something while behind an unsuspecting rider may scare the crap out of them. I'm no closer than a car would be so I don't see a reason to notify them I'm passing.

Also, if I'm quickly overtaking a rider I don't say anything. I wave just as I'm getting ahead of them. Most comments are just going to sound like a grunt or moan as you go by anyway.

OTOH, I would say "on your left" if I had behind behind them for a stretch. If they know I'm behind them then there is no chance I will startle them. I want to point out that I'm coming around.
Git ott da way... aahm comin' troo...asphalt assault
May 29, 2003 4:40 PM
We were stopped along the bike trail last summer when some drunk on a rusty bike came wobbling past us...we about died laughing.

I'v always wanted to use that line but never had the nerve.
drunken cyclingmaddog
May 29, 2003 5:48 PM
where I live, a drunken cyclist crashed on a commonly used MUT - went home to sleep it off, but died of internal injuries that he didn't realize he had - be careful, don't drink and ride, i guess you can't do as much damage to others as when you drink and drive, but you sure can do a lot of damage to yourself
Git ott da way... aahm comin' troo...boyd2
May 30, 2003 5:09 AM
One lost summer in college one of my roommates came home piss drunk with a big cut over his eye and his bike was mangeled. He had blood all over his face and shirt. He could not remember what had happened but he thought that someone had mugged him for his bike. We formed a posse to find the lowlife, but after some detective work we found out that he had actually crashed head first into a dumpster behind the Food Lion! Say no to drunken cycling!

On passing I was in a MTB race a few months ago and came up behind a woman on some tight single track. I cleared my throat (because of the mucus) and she got pissed. She said "you could just ask to pass". I expalined that I was actually just clearing my throat and I was happy to follow. It turns out that she was just pissed that all the hammerheads were rudely passing her (it was a 3 lap race) and she was just fed up.
I'l agree on the RWI thing....asphalt assault
May 30, 2003 6:13 AM
It's probably best to park the bike (or anything for that matter) if you're going to hoist a few.

One afternoon last summer I went for a little spin on my MTB around the neighborhood. I stopped at a friends house a couple of blocks away and had two beers there, continued another block to another friends and had one more. I then rode to yet another friends about a mile away and started drinking apple martinis....It was well past dark when I headed home (2 miles or so).

I made it home without incident but I didn't feel too comfortable riding with a buzz on like that...the substantial buzz that it wuzz!
re: On the subject of comments made when PASSING GASGadfly
May 29, 2003 6:00 PM
Dang!

Just think, whoever that guy is, he has to live with the fact that he is known as the guy who wears white time trial shoe covers.
I rode with one of that team's members one day...hammer_cycle
May 29, 2003 7:59 PM
After the NYC race, one of the schroeder's riders showed up at a local ride since he was from the area. Its funny because he and his gf (an ex pro herself) were 2 of the most friendly "good riders" I've met. No attitude at all.

Here on the local hammer ride, its funny because a good % of the people on the ride who are good tend to be jerks. I guess they feel being better than most of the other riders makes them feel like they have a right to be rude and unfriendly.

I think riders are like people in every day life. You have nice people, the jerks, the jealous people, etc.
I smile and say something about the weather...dzrider
May 30, 2003 5:20 AM
So far nobody has personalized it or acted like I thought they had to accept responsibility for it. Saturday a guy passed me in silence and I congratulated him on being the first one to pass me in 2003. He looked back smiled and answered. Under no circumstances do I offer unsolicited encouragement, advice or comments on bikes or clothing until a conversation has been going on a while.
Ego investmest.macalu
May 30, 2003 5:37 AM
Most cyclists invest a lot of ego in their riding. To say they take it seriously is an understatement. Competition is the benchmark. Just because riders don't enter formal races does not mean they don't race. Passing and being passed is a sensitive thing. Its usually best to say nothing, answer nothing, unless its a truly friendly hello.
Schroeder IronFender
May 30, 2003 7:52 AM
Last year before Another Dam Race in Arizona, I was interviewed by a local TV station along with some of the Schroeder Iron riders. Even though they are a domestic pro team, they where behaving as if they where the best team out of Europe. Their responses to the reporter where rude and cocky, they way the talked to some other riders including myself was degrading and they where just an embarrasment to the cycling community.
Schroeder IronThe Human G-Nome
May 30, 2003 8:46 AM
this is the 4th post by 4 different people in the last 2 days (different messageboards) describing what complete pr icks the guys from Schroeder are. sounds like they have a bit of a PR problem.
Schroeder IronFender
May 30, 2003 9:13 AM
Maybe we should contact their sponsors about it?