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KHS Racing Bike Or Not?(21 posts)

KHS Racing Bike Or Not?cruisincarpenter
May 27, 2003 6:35 PM
Help!

Just finished my first Duathlon & was disappointed by my finish in biking portion.

Problem - I'm 6'5" of medium build. Very athletic, but feel like my equipment is the problem.

Riding a 2000 Trek 1000 & want to upgrade. Local dealership is strict KHS dealer.

What can anyone tell me about this bike line. And, suggestions for bike that is reasonable in price, right for my size & will not need upgraded for racing...
re: KHS Racing Bike Or Not?geeker
May 27, 2003 6:56 PM
Not sure that, at 6'5", KHS makes a big enough frame size for you. I'm 6'2.5", and took a serious look at KHS because the 2002 Flite 800 looked like a great deal. But KHS's biggest size is 60cm seat tube, measured to the top of the seat tube collar, which looks like 57cm c-c or even a little less. The top tube is pretty long, but I concluded that it'd be too tough to get the handlebars high enough without offending the stem police ;-).
Which Bike Then?cruisincarpenter
May 28, 2003 5:53 AM
Good call! I had some of the same ideas, but am a novice rider & needed to hear it from others. That, along with the fact I wanted to keep my business in town & KHS is the only bike offered locally.

OK - Give me some alternatives that will be the buy all/end all for my problems. I know you always want bigger & better, but suggest a bike that will fit my need for speed & fit me correctly.

Trek? Cannondale? Specialized?

Thanks!
Right, KHS bikes run small...Lon Norder
May 28, 2003 9:03 AM
My 54cm Aero Comp is probably a bit smaller than most 53cm bikes.
What Did You Buy?cruisincarpenter
May 30, 2003 2:05 AM
Just out of curiousity, what bike did you finally settle on?
Ditto: 60 cm not big enough for youMr Good
May 27, 2003 10:41 PM
KHS makes good bikes that are great value for the dollar spent. But they don't offer a road bike larger than what they call 60 cm...which measures about 56 cm c-c. That bike just isn't going to fit you, mister cruisincarpenter!
Clear Conscious - Suggestions?cruisincarpenter
May 28, 2003 5:28 AM
OK - my conscious is clear if I do not go locally for the bike. That was a concern of mine as well.

Now that you've brought it up - offer suggestions for a quick bike that will fit someone my size.

Trek, Cannondale, Specialized...?

I'm about to through in the towel on this thing, but I know there's a bike fit out there for me.

Help...
Clear Conscious - Suggestions?geeker
May 28, 2003 6:17 AM
If you're a novice and unsure about fit, it might be a good idea to find a "pro shop" type LBS who can put you on a fit cycle. Without fit numbers, shopping around mail order seems too risky.

The bike is for racing duathlons, so I assume you want something light and stiff but not ultra-expensive (crash risk). This suggests oversized aluminum, especially at your height. Light and stiff immediately suggests Cannondale. Which model depends on the budget. Also Trek. I once test-rode the 2300 and liked it. Specializeds all have "compact geometry" frames, which don't seem ideal for very tall riders (I wouldn't ride one myself), but YMMV. Cannondale and Trek dealers should be easy to find (although 63cm bikes in stock probably won't), so that's a good place to start.
DittoTNSquared
May 28, 2003 9:56 AM
Particularly the Trek 2300. I'm riding the 2300 and love it. I'm not as big as you (5'11") and I'm riding a 58cm frame. Trek makes the 2300 in frames up to 62 or 63 centimeters, and the 2300 has fairly aggressive "race" geometry which should suit your duathlon interests.

You should be able to find the 2300 for less than 2K. The Cannondales would probably work well, too, but I've never been on one and don't know how they compare in terms of ride quality or price.
Thanks - Dittocruisincarpenter
May 28, 2003 12:19 PM
Have ridden friend's 2300 & amazed at difference in our models. However, will heed the suggestion to get fit.

What are your thoughts on getting fit locally, then trying to pick up bike on the cheap from catalog or internet source.

Just thinking about $$$$, although I don't want that to be the determining factor.
Thanks - DittoTNSquared
May 28, 2003 2:34 PM
Getting fit locally and then picking up on sale somewhere else can be done, but there are some challenges.

First, your LBS will no doubt be p*ssed if you they spend the time to fit you and then you buy somewhere else, and I can't blame them. For this reason, I would instead use one of the fit calculators such as at www.wrenchscience.com to find out what I need, and then check the Trek geometry at their website www.trekbikes.com. to determine the proper frame size. Another alternative is to provide all the salient details to RBR's resident fit expert, screenname C40, and he'll tell you exactly what you need.

Secondly, Trek doesn't allow any of their authorized dealers to make online or catalog sales. So...some bike shops will negotiate price with you on the phone but someone has to present payment in person (at least in my experience.)

That said, I did basically what you are proposing - i.e. figured out what size I needed and then found the best price I could and made arrangements to buy over the phone. Email me at screamingklingon@aol.com if you want more information.
Double Ditto Thanks!!!cruisincarpenter
May 28, 2003 6:44 PM
That's great info.

Will email you Thursday or Friday.

Thanks, again...
Thanks!!!!cruisincarpenter
May 28, 2003 12:16 PM
Thanks for the advice.

Bought original Trek at dealership in Cincinnati (OH) & was not happy with the fit or salesmanship. Year end sale bike that I felt was pushed on me.

Knees started hurting immediately upon long rides.

Will take your advice to heart & may seek more in the near future.
Fuji has models with 64 cm c-t frame, but new bike won't help muchContinental
May 28, 2003 6:16 AM
Widely available, good quality, low price. http://www.fujibikes.com. I own a lower end Fuji Finest steel 64 cm and am very happy with it. I don't have any experience with their higher end bikes. Don't expect huge improvements in speed by getting a better bike. If you ride a $3000 bike instead of your $600 Trek you might cut a minute or two off your time for a 40 mile ride.
But, Wouldn't The Fit Make A Difference?cruisincarpenter
May 28, 2003 12:27 PM
I agree partially with your thoughts.

Yet, wouldn't racing componants and professionally fit bike make a huge difference?

Sure, the biker makes the bike go. But, the bike needs to fit the biker to work properly from all standpoints.

I don't expect huge improvements on speed, but I can't help to think better fit/componants are going to translate into better performance.
But, Wouldn't The Fit Make A Difference?cruisincarpenter
May 28, 2003 12:28 PM
But, Wouldn't The Fit Make A Difference?Continental
May 28, 2003 2:46 PM
If the fit is way off on your Trek, a better fit will help substantially in comfort and endurance. Better components will only give a fraction of a percent in improvement. If your Trek is well-tuned bike with a clean chain, true wheels, and properly inflated tires it's about as efficient as a bike can get.
But, Wouldn't The Fit Make A Difference?cruisincarpenter
May 28, 2003 6:46 PM
Agreed.

However, don't feel like it is in best shape.

Back wheel jumps ever so slightly as ridden. Needs to be trued.

Had bike tuned prior to race, but did not take care of wheel problem. Also, threw chain on open road fairly easily.

Will take suggestions to heart. Thanks!
But, Wouldn't The Fit Make A Difference?geeker
May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
Just curious, what size Trek 1000 are you currently riding? At your height, anything less than a 63 (their biggest size) is likely to be too small. If you're already on a 63, you might be able to tinker with the stem (rise, length) or seatpost (setback) to adjust fit.

In Treks, even the 1200 is a big step up from the 1000 (2003 model year). All models from 1200 thru 2200 have carbon forks and the same (light aluminum) frame, differing only in components. The 2300 gets a slightly lighter frame (around 2 oz. less quoted) and the best component package.
But, Wouldn't The Fit Make A Difference?cruisincarpenter
May 29, 2003 8:59 AM
60 cm Trek 1000 (2000 model year)

End of year blowout sale on stock models. Staff just had me stand over bike & declared it a good fit.

Bear in mind, this was my first bike. I knew no difference other than it was a step up from Nishiki cross-bike I had been riding.

From the get-go my knees hurt. Just thought it was the fact I wasn't used to riding road bikes.

I live 60 miles from nearest fitter/sales at that time and couldn't get answers needed.

Still live 60 miles from city. But, have tried to educate myself somewhat.

Yet - my knees hurt & men larger (weight wise) than me are keeping up with me on the road.

Starting to think I may need to get out of the sport completely. But, feel like I can be better than I am on this bike...
But, Wouldn't The Fit Make A Difference?geeker
May 29, 2003 9:18 AM
Yes, 60cm's probably too small for you. I'm 2.5" shorter than you, and would ride a 60cm Trek (the size of the 2300 I test-rode), but only because I have long legs/short torso and need the shorter top tube of the 60. Even then, I'd need some spacers and a riser stem to get the handlebars at a reasonable drop (2" to 3" preferred) from the saddle.