|A good trip that went bad.||stinkfoot247|
May 26, 2003 6:57 AM
|I only had 130 miles this year and I wanted a big trip so I planned a 60 plus ride from mechanicsburg PA to shippensburg to newville to carlisle and back. I ate a whole box of angel hair for some back up glycogen. Well I made real good time to ship, pushing about 19avg/sp, but it was for the most part flat, a little bit of heaven, I don't see too much flat around here. I passed an amish buggy at like 30mph, it was great. I left at 5 and got to ship at 7 and the storm clouds were building up in the west making for a premature dawn. At that point I decided to go straight for carlisle instead of newville to hopefully make it back by dark. I only had about an hour and a half to do it, and that's when things started to suck. about a mile after I left ship, my legs went dead. I had been eating fig newtons every half hour and had that box of noodles, I don't see why. Don't know what happened to those noodles. MIA. I see a sign that says 19mi till carlisle and I'm just fighting the lactic acid built up to make it back in time. I think that is why it was hell, I no more enjoyed the scenery, except for the a$$holes honking their horns, got alot of that today. In the middle of those 19 miles I fell off my bike at an intersection. I didn't unclip. Me and this guy kept waving the other to go, so I went and he went I stopped and fell over in the middle of intersection. Now I got a cool battle scar on my knee. here on after I just thought of stopping at somebody's house and asking to sleep in their yard and maybe they would hook me up with a bed and food. I finally made it to a sheetz right outside carlisle and made a call for my mom to get me. The pay phones were dead. I used some dudes cellphone and my momma wasn't home. so I sat around and waited along time. blah blah blah.
It was a learning lesson.
|This one time, at band camp...nm||ctheronj|
May 26, 2003 7:46 AM
|LOL 2 funny...nm||Frith|
May 26, 2003 8:34 AM
|Calorie intake - check; sustainable pace - oops...||PdxMark|
May 26, 2003 11:23 AM
|A very good learning experience about burning a few too many matches early in the ride... I've learned that lesson a few times, of maybe I haven't, since I'm still re-learning it. That excitement and eagerness early in a ride will get you (me) to ride harder/faster than you (I) can maintain over the distance. The fuel is there, but the engine is (temporarily) shot.
Cipo is the fastest guy in the world, over 300 meters. The trick is to match your pace, inlcuding your early pace, to the total ride distance.
|fuel there engine gone?||stinkfoot247|
May 26, 2003 11:50 AM
|hmm.. I always thought you got that sudden crappy exhaustion once your glycogen supply was out. I had plenty. I thought I was pacing myself, I never went hard enough for "lactic acid burn" to last longer than 20sec, cuz like you said to pace. I only think I was doing 19 cuz I was on 0 grade, something I've never done for over 20mi. When you say engine gone the only reason I could think of that being possible is to much lactic acid, hmm maybe I'll just have to try a slower pace. On the way back I wasn't even breathing heavy but my legs were burning so bad. Any more input?|
|fuel there engine gone?||PdxMark|
May 26, 2003 12:21 PM
|There are folks on this board who know a ton more about conditioning and nutrition than me, so I'll just give you my half- (or less) informed opinion...
You mentioned that you have 130 miles so far this year, and that you went out with an "19avg/sp" and "passed an amish buggy at like 30mph." While an "19avg/sp" is not alot with some good conditioning, it would be an heavy pace for me for a couple hours with only 130 miles in my legs.
The box of pasta and a steady drip of Figgies seemed like a bit much too (for a 60 mile ride), but since you felt OK at the start, it didn't seem that it was overeating that had wiped you out.
You can get a crappy exhausted feeling once your glycogen supply is spent, but for your distance and speed, I bet you had plenty of calories available. But how many 20 sec. lactic acid burns did you go through on the way out? The other way for your legs to go flat is to overwork them repeatedly, for your level of conditioning. I don't know exactly what it is physiologically, maybe lactic acid accumulation, but once you hit that point, your legs are shot. The other option was that you weren't drinking any water and were dehydrated.
I bet you could do that ride if you kept your outbound pace under 18mph.
|If the engine isn't tuned properly . . .||Rich_Racer|
May 26, 2003 12:11 PM
|. .. it doesn't matter how much fuel you put in it! In fact, the food might even move blood away from your muscles. You tried to do half your yearly total in one ride! And probably too fast too. Do more riding, slower pace, and slowly building up the length - 10% a week increase is comman. And try to drink calories rather than just eat them.|
|re: A good trip that went bad.||Ligon|
May 26, 2003 1:33 PM
|There are a couple of things that I would do if I were you. The first and most obvious is try not to do a ride that is just under half your total miles for the year. You gotta get some good base miles before you go out on "epic" adventures. It really does not matter how many calories and carbs you stuff in that little old stomach of yours if your not really in shape to ride that much to begin with. I also think I remember you saying you smoked. That is not really going to get you anywhere, so you sohould consider quiting.
That said, your story was actually pretty funny and I think you stated it best when you wrote, "It was a learning lesson."
|No base miles. Your problem is obvious.||Kerry|
May 26, 2003 4:39 PM
|It sounds like you've spent almost as much time posting here as you have riding. Having 130 miles in your legs and then trying to do a 60 mile ride is asking for trouble. And then starting at 5 pm for a 3 hour ride (with no breaks) when sunset is at 8:26. This suggests a bit of weakness in the planning department. Several learning opportunities present themselves.|
|I think I can I think I can... I'm a dreamish guy||stinkfoot247|
May 26, 2003 5:50 PM
|I came up with the idea in the shower, tis where all my rediculous ideas stem from. Thought it would be a great feeling to accomplish a goal like that, and that's why I set rediculous goals. That's the main reason besides speed that I cycle, to get that feeling. And then comes racing cars, looking fast to bystanders, and then comes the compliments from my helicopter support crew. hahaha. ah I quit somking on June 5th, I've cut down to a pack every 9 days. And I'll definently have some cold weather gear next year and a heck of alot more miles than I do now. But don't look foward to many miles this summer cuz I'll be getting locked up for a few months on june 5th. Never heard of too much food keeping blood flow to the muscles, so thanks for your input, and everyone else. I'm glad you enjoyed the humor Ligon, and good memory btw. Peace|
|OK, I'll bite||Spoiler|
May 26, 2003 9:31 PM
|What are you getting locked up for and how long can society rest peacefully?|
|A little bit of this and that. nm||stinkfoot247|
May 26, 2003 11:03 PM
|And you want a ride from a cop cuz it's too dark?? nm||pitt83|
May 27, 2003 5:36 AM