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Snide remarks from Ligget and Roll (no spoiler)(17 posts)

Snide remarks from Ligget and Roll (no spoiler)vindicator
May 23, 2003 7:35 AM
Did anyone else notice the snide comments about gearing during Thursday's big climb at the Giro? After going on about how the pros had "geared down" their bikes for the climb, which was very interesting, Phil noted that one rider was using a 30-tooth inner ring (still mounted as a double, presumably). Again, fine.

But then, in kind of a smarmy tone, Ligget says "I didn't think they made chainrings that small for road bikes, Bob" and Bob says "maybe they got it from a mountain bike" (Ha, ha).

Now I, as you may surmise, I ride with a triple ring. And I'm not particularly thin-skinned when it comes to ribbing from the "real men" I ride with and on this board. Talk trash with me all you want about my triple. Maybe you'll beat me to the top, maybe you won't.

But when you can get Campy Record and Shimano Dura-Ace with triple cranks, complete with 30-tooth inner rings, and when we're hoping to bring newbies (like me) into the sport, it seems to take us back to the old "snobby" stereotype to have the public ambassadors for the sport move away from "the pros usually use bigger rings/smaller cogs than this" to "do they even make 30-tooth rings? HA HA HA!"

Of course, I still love Phil and Bobke, so I'll get over it.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Giro programming...
it was passing bullsh!teJS Haiku Shop
May 23, 2003 7:43 AM
as they were of course silent when Heras won the Angliru climb last year with d/a triple (and a 12/25, wasn't it?).

i'm never amazed at what comes out of their mouths. half the time it doesn't make any sense. but, at least we have coverage and "knowledgeable" commentary.

it could be worse: adrian karsten.
They replaced kartstenSpecialTater
May 23, 2003 9:13 AM
with a sideline babe I thought. Improved both the looks and the commentary.

I know I'm a sexist pig. That still doesn't make it right, but you should celebrate our differences! ;)
they weren't talking about youmohair_chair
May 23, 2003 7:46 AM
Pro racers very rarely need that kind of gearing, while recreational riders often do. That was why they were joking about it, because the pros were forced to come down to YOUR level, in a manner of speaking.

I don't see anything to get upset about, unless you are embarrassed in some way that you have a triple. I doubt most newbies know what the guys were talking about anyway. Would a newbie know what a 30-tooth ring is?

Fact is, the Giro commentary is supposed to be colorful, as if you were sitting around in a pub watching it and making comments with your friends. Some of those comments will be rude and some will be jokes and all of it is in good fun. Maybe everytime a bell rings an angel gets his wings, but I don't think that everytime you comment on gearing, a newbie leaves the sport!
I'm not upset, butvindicator
May 23, 2003 8:35 AM
I think it would have been better if they'd have said what you said, which is also what they were saying at first. Namely, "pros almost never use cogs this big or rings this small, so you know this climb is STEEP". That, to me, says that the pros were forced to come down to "my" level.

But by saying that no one even makes 30 tooth rings, the message to me is broader - it goes beyond saying "pros don't use 30s" to saying that no one - pro or amateur - who is a "real" roadie uses a 30. Which is the kind of stuff I don't mind coming from my buddies who ride 53-39 doubles, but just went a little to far IMO for the "official" North American commentators on the sport.

But it was more of a minor comment that rubbed me wrong than anything huge - I'll still watch as many of the remaining stages as I can! And I don't want them to get so careful that we lose the "pub" atmosphere, so maybe Phil, Bob and I should just share a pint and put it behind us!
did you miss what they said they would need?commuterguy
May 23, 2003 8:01 AM
I thought it was hilarious when Phil and Paul got around to talking about what they would need to get up that climb. I believe it was Paul who said "crampons" (i.e., rock climbing gear). So, I don't believe they were being dismissive of anyone's gearing.
did you miss what they said they would need?bill105
May 23, 2003 8:25 AM
Crampons?, I thought he said Tampons. No wonder my wife hit me when I asked how her "visiting uncle" helped her climb better.
I would agree, I don't think they were slamming anyone...joekm
May 23, 2003 8:30 AM
I just think they were emphasizing how steep the gradient was. 27% max gradient is pretty intense.
Ligget and Roll should know...Fredrico
May 23, 2003 8:54 AM
If you can't get to the top of a hill in 42-21, you're a wimp not worthy of the company of elite cyclists.
Did anyone notice the cursing that slipped through on Terminillo?Geardaddy
May 23, 2003 8:55 AM
I don't mind their commentary. I find it humorous for the most part. Phil just had to slip in a comment about the steepest grade he ever saw, which was a 33% grade in England somewhere, and as he said: "When you stood up on the bike, your nose nearly touched the road".

Anyway, did anyone catch the bit of swearing and cussing that slipped through during a technical glitch on the Terminillo stage coverage? The screen went blank for a few seconds and you heard Phil saying "We've lost the climb" (meaning they lost the satellite signal), and then you heard someone else mumbling "Oh - f^&$@#ing hell" (with a British accent - I think it was Sherwin), and then they cut to a commercial. LOL!
I did, and what I can't understandvindicator
May 23, 2003 10:17 AM
is how that didn't get edited out, considering that the actual broadcast on that Saturday afternoon was obviously on tape.

Pretty funny, though!
If you can't make snide comments, life is meaninglessMR_GRUMPY
May 23, 2003 9:00 AM
Snide comment #1 The day I have to get a triple, is the day I get a pink basket for my bars. (Easy to say in Illinois)
Well, if you're going to get a pink basketvindicator
May 23, 2003 10:18 AM
what will you do next, shave your legs?

(How's that for snide?)

;^)
I already do !MR_GRUMPY
May 23, 2003 10:58 AM
Whenever I have to use a 39X23, I have to make sure nobody is watching, so that I don't feel like a sissy.(just kidding,......I don't usually have a 23)
It was funnyRJF
May 23, 2003 12:58 PM
I didn't think it was snide at all -- I just thought they were being funny.

BTW, didn't Heras use a triple on the Angrilu a year or so back?
and another thing...rufus
May 23, 2003 12:59 PM
when they were talking about putting big cogs on the back, and phil threw it over to paul saying something like, "and paul will explain the technical details behind that" and paul says something like, "well, they've put on huge cogs at the back for this climb".

and phil, stumped, because he thought paul would actually explain what the bigger cogs/small chainring would do, says" right, and we'll talk some more about that later".

i was just laughing, cause you knew phil was expecting paul to launch into some real detailed explanation of the reasons why, and then came out with that generic sentence.
re: Snide remarks from Ligget and Roll (no spoiler)Spoiler
May 23, 2003 7:42 PM
I was thinking technical. I thought he meant that he didn't think they made a 30t ring that would fit on a double crankset. A 30t ring might not be as large as the bolt hole circle on a double crank.