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Le Tour, Amstrong said it best...(20 posts)

Le Tour, Amstrong said it best...markD
May 21, 2003 8:26 AM
Lance said it best: (cycling news)"Cipollini is the World Champion and they didn't think only of the race. Second, Cipollini is the best sprinter in the world, so even on a technical level it's a mistake not to invite him. Third, Cipollini is a really big personality and he's very popular in cycling. He knows how to take his responsibilities, and the Tour should welcome him back."
"The Tour is a world class event, it's not a national race."

In a race that is considered to be one of best and have the most exposure, to exclude not just one but two world class riders is unthinkable. Ullrich and Cipollini are world class and give excitement to the race, even if just in the pre-show analysis. They have the potiental to create excitment.
Not to take away from other riders but we could use alittle excitement this year not like the past few years. Lance is a great show but lets add some spice.
Who, in your opinion, are the most exciting riders, past and present?
Tonkov, my fav! nmJS Haiku Shop
May 21, 2003 8:30 AM
Sylvain Chavanelmohair_chair
May 21, 2003 8:43 AM
One of the most exciting riders of present is Sylvain Chavanel, a French rider on Brioches La Boulangere. If you saw him in Paris-Nice, look for him to provide some life to the Tour. The thing is, if Mario gets in, maybe this guy doesn't, and that would be a shame.
The Tour organizers are very short sightedLive Steam
May 21, 2003 8:52 AM
Lance said it all really. The WC should get an automatic invite no matter who it is. The organizers show disrespect for the meaning of the jersey and not just to Cipo. This petty action is very typical of the French though. I hope they reconsider as they have one slot remaining to accommodate 22 teams.
Liggett and Roll and....ClydeTri
May 21, 2003 9:32 AM
Said on the Giro broadcast the other day that speculation is that Cipo would quit the tour after just two or three stages as it hit major mtns very early....if they selected Cipo and he bailed that early, IMHO it would be a fraud...but that puts us back to the same ol discussion....
It is old but....Walter
May 21, 2003 10:21 AM
Cipo has said he gave assurances he'd finish as he desperately wanted to compete in the sprint on the Champs. He can and has finished 3 week tours when motivated (last years Giro) and nobody, to my knowledge, claims him to be dishonest when giving his word.

Who really cares now if McEwan defends the Green jersey (besidsMcEwan himself). If LA and USPS are bac on form we'll have a boring GC and a boring Green. Maybe we can get fired up over the White jersey?

To answer the actual question, I like Santiago Botero. At his best he's right there with the best and he can blow up better than most too. :)
LOL! Right! Botero = Awe-inspiring blow ups!OldEdScott
May 21, 2003 10:46 AM
Cipo's word...TJeanloz
May 21, 2003 10:51 AM
Cipo' always claimed that he would finish the Tour. The last time he was there he claimed he would finish. He spent all his credibility with STDF when he didn't finish. I don't blame them for not inviting him. The other angle is that his presence helps Armstrong in the overall - something that they don't want to have happen.
How does his presence help Lance?Live Steam
May 21, 2003 11:12 AM
Also, since this is probably his last season racing, having set the Giro record for stage wins and riding off with the WC jersey on his shoulders, I do believe he would make every effort to finish on the Champs. I think the selections should be on merit and not a personal issue. There is no denying that he is the best sprinter ever and he is also the reigning WC. These two small factors make him very deserving.
saves his teamcyclopathic
May 21, 2003 11:23 AM
USPS doesn't have to worry about pulling down those early flat stage breaks. In '01 Lance and peloton lost 35min to rogue break, and if there were any unknown rider (think Ulrich '95 edition) he would be tosted.
There are other teams ......Live Steam
May 21, 2003 11:29 AM
that will look to protect their sprinters and get them stage wins. I don't think USPS will worry about a rogue break by a non-contender who won't get much support. I'm sorry, but Cipo should be in the Tour. This is just petty sh%t by Leblanc.
re: There are other teams ......cyclopathic
May 21, 2003 11:40 AM
yes but look at Giro: how much work Lotto does for Robbie? There're not that many teams build around one sprinter. How much effort do you wanna throw in if you also have a GC and climber to support?
Right,TJeanloz
May 21, 2003 11:51 AM
There are very few teams that are entirely built around a single sprinter. And Cipo's team is absolutely the best in the business at controlling the field and chase.

His current status as reigning world champion merit his inclusion in the race. But I admire LeBlanc for sticking to his principles. Cipollini has crapped on the STDF enough, and if I were them, I wouldn't take it either. He would have been invited last year, had he not pulled that garbage at Paris-Roubaix. Cipo makes the individual stages more interesting, but the race more boring.
Remind me of what happened at Paris-Roubaix nmLive Steam
May 21, 2003 1:00 PM
Remind me of what happened at Paris-Roubaix nmTJeanloz
May 21, 2003 1:10 PM
Background: Paris-Roubaix is also organized by STDF.

Cipollini won the first World Cup event in 2002 (Milan-San Remo. His team had previously told STDF that they would not ride Paris-Roubaix, and their invitation went to another team. Cipollini asked Jean-Marie LeBlanc if his team could ride at Paris-Roubaix, because he wanted to defend his World Cup lead. LeBlanc went to the UCI, to ask them to allow him to expand the field to 22 teams. The UCI didn't want to do it because of how dangerous P-R is. LeBlanc cashed in some major favors with the UCI, and got Aqua e Sappone invited, so that Cipo could ride.

Paris Roubaix comes, Cipollini doesn't feel like riding. His team sends a bunch of scrubs to Paris-Roubaix. Really bush league. I don't blame LeBlanc for not inviting him to the Tour.
Remind me of what happened at Paris-Roubaix nmLive Steam
May 21, 2003 1:19 PM
I didn't know he was supposed to ride. Unfortunately the sport is made up of a lot of Prima Donnas. What do you expect from lots of men in spandex and fickle Frenchmen. :O) (It's a joke, before someone gets their panties all bunched up!)
Walter I like Botero too. He ...Live Steam
May 21, 2003 11:19 AM
is a threat to compete for the overall. I like his style. From what I have read, he is very fan friendly and not full of himself like many in the peleton. He can TT and ride the mountains. He also has cahones! He will ride off the front and try to hold off the attack and succeed. He is one rider that it will take time getting used to in a helmet :O) Don't listen to that #1 Old Ed! He doesn't have a clue! :O)
Are cahones likeOldEdScott
May 21, 2003 11:30 AM
panty wastes and wackos? Can't find that word in my dictionary ...
I hear they go great with bourbon! :O) nmLive Steam
May 21, 2003 11:33 AM
Botero Rocks!!! ...serbski
May 21, 2003 11:43 AM
I love the way he just goes hell-bent for the stage wins and, when he does, it quite often pays off. He does seem to pay for it bigtime the next day or so. I think that his tactics, or lack thereof, make him an exciting and unpredictable factor in the major tours. Can't wait to see how he does with Telekom behind him. You've got to have a loose cannon out there to shake things up.