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Patch kit vs. spare tube(35 posts)

Patch kit vs. spare tubefiltersweep
May 18, 2003 8:04 AM
I'm curious what the breakdown (no pun) is between carrying a patch kit vs. a spare tube (vs. the "devil-may-care" nothing at all).

Along with that: frame pump vs. mini pump vs. CO2, (vs. the "devil-may-care" nothing at all).

Finally, for a weight-weenie factor- if you have anything on your bike besides the fork that is made of carbon (or the other end of the spectrum: if you have panniers that serve more than a decorative purpose).

I'm very curious if there are any correlations...
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubedivve
May 18, 2003 8:28 AM
When I'm on my road bike I carry both a spare tube and patch kit with me and CO2. When I'm on my MTB usually nothing but run regular tires with liquid sealant on UST wheels. It's also pretty safe when I ride.

I'm not sure if it's necessarily related to being a weight-weenie but.....my road bike has a full carbon fork and seat post. The MTB has a carbon handle bar, carbon Lefty fork, flexible carbon chain stays, and carbon reinforced thermoplastic seat stays.
Extra tube, patch kit, pump, no carbon, no panniers/racks nmOverStuffed
May 18, 2003 8:32 AM
Spare tube.Spoke Wrench
May 18, 2003 8:32 AM
The directions on my patch kit say to let the glue set for five minutes before applying the patch. My aim is to have the whole job done and be back on the road inside of five minutes.
CO2 for the same reason.
You got me! My go-fast bike has a carbon fiber handlebar.

Now my retro grouch bike, on the other hand, has a patch kit, frame pump and no carbon fiber anywhere.
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubeSteve Bailey
May 18, 2003 8:36 AM
I carry 2 tubes PLUS a patch kit, and am careful to replace the glue in the kit every year, regardless if I used it or not and every 6 mos. if I opened the glue (it dries out).

It's a whole lot quicker to swap tubes then to wait for glue to set, especially on a cold raw day. I currently have a box full of tubes at home, all in need of patches.

I use a full size frame pump on the road bike, never finding the mini's able to easily get up to 120 psi. The Blackburn FP-1 and the Zefel HPX are the 2 best pumps out there. I also use CO2, carrying 3 - 12g non-threaded cannisters (available at Sports Authority cheap) with the frame pump there in case the CO2 fails, or for those days with multiple flats (5 in one day in New Mexico).

Steve Bailey
New Mexico?terry b
May 18, 2003 5:29 PM
Steve - New Mexico resident? "5 flats in one day" I assume you're talking about Goatheads - try Specialized Airlok tubes. They seal 90% of all Goathead attacks.
New Mexico?Steve Bailey
May 19, 2003 8:02 AM
NM Yes, Goat Heads - Nope

I lived in Nambe one summer and did a lot of riding up on Rt 30 towards Espanola near the Santa Clara Rez. and generally found that riding anywhere around Espanola meant flats from broken bottles. NM doesn't have a bottle deposit law (or didn't) and it was a real problem. Seemed the locals liked to smash empty beer bottles on the shoulder, often one per mile (I actually kept track it was so bad).

The particular ride with 5 flats involved a set of Avocet Cross K tires, that were generally a great tire for the "new and improved" chip-seal surface when I rode Rt 503 up to Cundiyo and Truchas. The state DOT essentially tar'd and graveled then waited 2 weeks before steam rolling the surface flat, essentially using the passing auto's to do their job for them. The sides of the road were a "bit sketchy", especially downhill on loose gravel, thus the big tough tires.

What I discovered with Kevlar belts, is if it gets badly cut, the Kevlar itself can actually puncture the new tube, thus the 5 flats one day - 2 from glass, 2 from Kevlar and one I can't remember. I quickly discovered I had to boot the hole.

I do miss NM though, even with all the glass, which was far worse then what I encounter on my Long Island to Brooklyn bike commute

Steve B.
Nambe, Espanola, Cundiyo, you're talkin' my home turf!theBreeze
May 19, 2003 8:16 AM
Broken beer bottle is the New Mexico state flower, didn't you know that? :)

Totally agree on the road conditions. I had 3 flats in one day on that loop around Pojoque/Espanola. And hwy 503 is still a chip-seal mess. Makes for a "buzzy" ride and invariably my feet are practically numb from all the vibration at the end the road. And that's on a steel bike w/carbon fork! But what can I say, it's home and makes me appreciate good smooth pavement all the more. One positive side of the tiny amount of snow we had this winter is that it left money in the highway budgets to sweep all the roads. They have been in pretty good shape (glass-wise) this spring.

Glad you enjoyed Mew Mexico. Come back and ride sometime. Santa Fe Century was yesterday, but maybe next year.
Northern NM drinking problemterry b
May 19, 2003 8:25 AM
Must be a regional thing - I never get glass flats down here in the valley. With Espanola being the herion abuse capital of the US I suppose you should be thankful you're not riding over syringes.

Now back to my Goatheads.
OH !, the memoriesSteve Bailey
May 19, 2003 2:41 PM
Well, actually I spent 10 summers, averaging 6 - 8 weeks of vacation while my wife worked the season at the Santa Fe Opera and we lived all over the Santa Fe area (well ...not Pecos).

The result was a LOT of riding, though most everyone else living there seemed to need 2 jobs to afford it, thus my weekday rides were mostly solo.

None the less, I rode a LOT around the Santa Fe area - Los Alamos loop, Taos/Enchanted Circle twice, Terroro, Pecos, Lamy/Gallesteo, the Airport and La Cienega and Bed Springs, Lone Butte and Madrid (Pronounced Mad-Rid for all you non- locals), etc... and often woke up trying to decide on a 30 mile mt. bike ride out to the Caja (did all of FR 24 once), or a road ride. Usually determined by how much beer the night before and the time of awakening. Got to ride some of the epic mt. bike rides including the South Boundary Trail up in Taos, the Winsor Trail including an up to Tesuque Peak, then down thru the ski area, then down the Winsor and a bail out back to the ski basin road at some point. Jeez was I in good shape !.

I really do miss all the mileage and miss being close to Colorado, especially as I could get up to the Bike Tour of Colorado, which I did in '99. Certainly the highlight of all my years out west, even if it rained every friggin' day.

I do like the east however, better roads, Vermont, lots of friends to ride with.....but Oh the memories,,,

Steve B.
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubeDERICK
May 18, 2003 8:48 AM
I carry a pack of glueless patches and a spare tube. I'll swap the tube for the first flat and patch the next one if I have to. I prefer a mini pump but have been entertaining the idea of using CO2 as well. I carry these on every ride unless it's just around the block after a repair or something.

My roadbike has a carbon fork and that's it. My mountain bike is another story.
Ah yes, the Raven...Akirasho
May 18, 2003 9:06 AM
... given Cannondale's recent financial woes, we may not see the likes of this from the big "C" for a looooooooong time...

Be the bike.
They are to be produced... Nevermore.DERICK
May 19, 2003 5:36 AM
re: Patch kit vs. spare tuberhillrider
May 18, 2003 8:58 AM
I carry tubes, no patch kit. # of tubes depends on distance and who I'm with. Co2 when I'm riding my carbon frame, frame pump on my steel frame and mini pump on the mt. bike. Two of the bunch I ride with couldn't change a flat if their life depended on it (veteran cyclists). When I know they are coming I pass along a spare tube or two before we take off. When I help them out they usually bestow several tubes or Co2 cartridges as appreciation display.
one tube, glueless patchesdzrider
May 19, 2003 10:13 AM
I use a frame pump on the commuter and CO2 on the road ride.
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubeAkirasho
May 18, 2003 9:01 AM
... at the very least, a patch kit and an occasional tube...

... generally a frame pump 'cept on my recumbent... I use CO2 with the 'bent (backed up with a mini pump) cuz it's a bit harder to change flats than on the average upright... the CO2 is just "easier".

... a couple of CF seatposts... a couple of CF aeros... a couple of CF wheelsets... a couple of CF cranks... CF Record top cap on a couple of bikes...

In my case, the only correlation I see is I'm... eclectic

Be the bike.
Both...DINOSAUR
May 18, 2003 9:08 AM
I carry one spare tube, a kit of Park gluless patches, co2, plus a Torelli Arial mini pump.

I seldom (knock on wood) ever have more than one flat on a ride and I just replace the tube and repair the punctured one when I arrive home.

I use the Torelli Arial to mount the tire and as a last resort if I should ever run out of co2 (again knock on wood).

But-if I'm taking a long ride, far away from home with no one to call in case something goes wrong I replace the Torelli mini with a Advent double action mini pump.

The Park patches work good as long as you take the time to apply them correctly by pressing down hard and working them into the tube. I have some that have been on my tubes since last winter, but a few have failed after a couple of weeks, due to operator error.

My fork is carbon, that's it...
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubeLeroy
May 18, 2003 9:12 AM
I usually carry a set of glueless patches with tire levers and a spare tube in a kit under the saddle. Sometimes I just carry the glueless patches, 2 levers and minipump with no tube. I have had good luck with glueless patches. I use a minipump carried in a jersey pocket. My Al. bike has a carbon fork and carbon seatpost; one steel bike has a carbon fork; the compact pro has a steel fork - it has the best ride.
2 spares, CO2, bars and post. nmMajor Kong
May 18, 2003 10:29 AM
2 flats = long walk home! (nm)Alexx
May 18, 2003 10:46 AM
1 tube, many glueless patches, 2 CO2's, 1 frame pump, no carbonTNSquared
May 18, 2003 10:52 AM
and no panniers or extraneous hardware
carry 1 tube 1 CO2 cartridge 1 tire lever and cell phone.nmthe bull
May 18, 2003 11:19 AM
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubeMR_GRUMPY
May 18, 2003 11:30 AM
Two tubes, Two CO2 carts, pack of glueless patches (just in case) Only fork is carbon (and that's only to save weight)
Panniers.............I'd rather ride in a thong.......
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubechipnseal
May 18, 2003 11:51 AM
"Short" ride- 1 tube, small patch kit, seat bag, frame pump.

"Long" ride- same as above except add 1 tube, 3 CO2's in a small water bottle on the frame.

Cell phone- always!

If I have more than 3 flats, then there's some bad mojo in the air- time to go home...

Good riding!
mini-pump in jersey pocket+patch kit in seat packkcd
May 18, 2003 12:12 PM
I wish I had packed a tube last week when the valve failed during flat repair. However, this event is so rare that it did not cause me to start packing a tube; I opted instead for a punture resistant tire.
2 tubes and Zefal frame pumpmickey-mac
May 18, 2003 12:26 PM
I haven't carried a patch kit in at least six years. I've only had one occasion over that time where I got stuck and ended up getting a tube from a passing cyclist. Fortunately, I saw him on a regular basis and got a tube back to him.

I've been using a Zefal frame pump for years and don't plan to switch any time soon.

I've got a carbon fork and no other carbon anywhere on my bike. OTOH, I'm not a weight weenie but don't have any big pot iron items weighing down my bike.
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubeGeekRoadie
May 18, 2003 1:42 PM
- One tube and some glueless patches (patches are for multi-flat rides and riding buds who forgot their tube)
- CO2 pump with built-in mini pump from Innovations. I use the mini to seat the bead. The pump also comes in handy when trying to chase down the puncture in the flat tube.

This, and a minitool in my jersey pockets..

Carbon fork and seatpost on the "go fast" bike. I have panniers and fenders on my lead-based 32lb commuter that, not by coincidence, has no carbon.
spare tube only with mini pump (nt)ballbite
May 18, 2003 2:20 PM
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubeTeach
May 18, 2003 2:29 PM
I currently carry 2 tubes, a glueless patch kit, and a frame pump (Topeak Road Morph - even girlie-me can pump it to 120 p.s.i.)

Normal is one tube and all of the above, but I haven't taken the second one off my frame (velcro-ed to bottle cage) since the recent MS150. I only carry the patch kits for multiple flats - the only time I'd bother to patch.
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubeJuanmoretime
May 19, 2003 12:56 AM
I carry a patch kit, 1 spare tube, a CO2 inflater and two CO2 cartridges, 5mm Allen key, 2 - tire levers, a spare 10 speed Wipperman Conex and a $20. I keep at in a plastic bag in my jersey pocket. I also replace the glue annually to avoid the dreaded glue gone dry.
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubeal0
May 19, 2003 2:15 AM
Spere tube+minipump (SKS Teleskop, BTW I use it not only on ride but at home as well - it is gould enough to pump tire in 2-3 minutes). For longer rides or if I know that road is bad, I additionally take patchkit.
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubeNelZ
May 19, 2003 6:39 AM
In my seat pack I carry 2 tubes, patch kit, and Crank Bros. mini pump. The mini pump works good enough to get me home. My steel bike has carbon fork, handlebar, and seat post.
I carryMel Erickson
May 19, 2003 7:05 AM
One tube
A glueless patch kit
Two 12g CO2 carts w/inflator
An Einstein mini pump (frame pump won't fit)

Carbon bits = fork and "top tube/seatpost" because I ride a Softride Solo with a carbon beam thus no place for a frame pump. On my more conventional bikes I carry a Zefal HPX instead of the Einstein.
Belt AND suspendersAndy M-S
May 19, 2003 7:30 AM
I take both along, as well as a Zefal HPX frame pump.

I mean, I'm not racing, my bike is all steel (though I did the same thing when I had a CF front end), so why risk spoiling the trip?

Both tube and patch kit fit in a tiny saddlebag. Which sometimes pops into the side pocket of a Carradice for longer rides...
re: Patch kit vs. spare tubeJS Haiku Shop
May 19, 2003 8:21 AM
TUBES & PATCH KITS:

I carry a cellphone, and:

one tube on short rides.

two tubes and a patch kit on medium rides, or supported century+ rides. no cellphone on supported rides.

three tubes and TWO patch kits on longish (self supported) rides. sometimes a folding tire, too.

FRAME PUMP VS. MINI OR CO2

co2 normally, with 2 cartridges for short rides, 4 for medium rides, and far too many for longish rides. on longer, self-supported rides i'll also carry a frame pump.

CARBON?

none of my currently built bikes have any carbon anything on them. all steel, and no carbon components.

REGARDING the "devil may care" plan: if you're riding alone, that's a recipe for a long walk and sore feet, unless you have someone to call and a way to telephone (cell or collect payphone or beg a phone). if you're riding in a group, it's totally inconsiderate of your fellow pedalers. many times folks will show for our group rides with only a smile, and then have problems. it's ok if they're newbies and don't know better. however, when regulars show without as much as a tube, and are asked and reply "i'm relying on my peeps today", they'll be walking if it's up to me. hmmm...10+ tubes i gave to the cause last year. this year will be a dramatically different story!