|Giro Italia and World Champion Jersey Question||Fez|
May 16, 2003 6:51 AM
|Sorry if this is a newbie question, but what exactly makes Mario Cipollini the World Champion? Was it a specific event last year, or was it total points or victories over a season?
And does being a World Champion give Cipo the privilege of wearing the colors at every event this season?
If Cipo had earned the pink jersey earlier this week in the Giro, would he wear it? Or would he still wear the World Championship jersey?
|I'm just a beginner, too...but this is what I think is true...||jtferraro|
May 16, 2003 7:01 AM
|Mario won the World Championship last year...it was a specific event. (I think)
Yes, being world champ gives Mario the privilege of wearing those colors for the entire season. (I think)
If he had earned the pink jersey this week he'd probably wear it...and maybe give the world champ jersey to a teammate. (again, I think! ;-)
I'm now waiting for the experts to put me to shame!
|if cipo won a prize jersey||Frith|
May 16, 2003 7:23 AM
|I believe he would have a special one with world champ stripes on the sleeves and chest. |
This is what Ulrich did in the 2000(?) TDF when he wore the white jersey (best young rider) after winning the world champs.
World championships is a single race that happens in October. This years is in Hamilton Ontario....can't wait!
|Ah, right. I think Ullrich did that in the '01 TdF.||jtferraro|
May 16, 2003 7:29 AM
|I think the question meant what shirt would Cipo wear, in the Giro, if he won the pink jersey early in the week? They can't already have one of those put aside for him, right? In other words, he'd probably only have a choice of the plain pink. I don't know...just speculating!
|Ah, right. I think Ullrich did that in the '01 TdF.||schimanski|
May 16, 2003 11:23 AM
|They very likely have a bunch of jerseys for Cipo to wear... I just watched the video of 1997 Tour de France and Saeco even had a green bike for Cipo to ride when he gets the sprinter jersey... he never got that jersey and never rode the bike. :)|
|...on the right track...||seyboro|
May 16, 2003 10:20 AM
|Ullrich wore the German national champion's jersey that year in the tour ('01). That was a white top with the black, red and gold on the sleeves (...and, if memory serves, across the chest). He was well beyond 25 years of age at the time. Prize jerseys do not show past world championships.|
|...on the right track...||russw19|
May 16, 2003 2:16 PM
|Any rider that wins a World or National title has the rights to wear the champion's jersey for that race until they are replaced as the winner. If you win the World's title, you may wear the World Champion's Jersey. If you win on the track or a time trial championship, you can not wear your World's Jersey in a road race, but you can have the rainbow stripes on the jersey sleeves and collar. If you are in a Time Trial and are the current TT Champ, you can wear your rainbox jersey.
If you are a former World Champ, you can have the rainbow stripes on your sleeves and collar of your team jersey to show you are a former world champ.
Jan is a former World TT Champ... he has jerseys that have the rainbow stripes on the collar and sleeve in TT's only.. other than that, seyboro is correct... he wore a national champ's jersey in the 01 tour. He can still have his national stripes on his jersey as a former national champ... as can any former national champ.
Now, for the Rainbow Jersey and the Grand Tour Prize Jerseys.... If a rider is a current World Champ, he would likely wear the Malia Rosa or the Maliot Jaune. Under UCI rules, they are to wear the sprinter's or points or climber's jersey too. However Cippolini stated that he would defer the Giro Point's Jersey to his World Champ's Jersey as he feels it's more important. He may be fined for it, but I doubt he would care. If for instance Pettachi is 1st in Malia Rosa, and Point's jersey and Cippo is 2nd in Point's he would get the honor of wearing the Point's Jersey, but Cippo would turn it down, therefore the 3rd place rider in points would wear it.
As far as past world champions, they can be recognized on the Tour's Prize jersey. I have seen where Armstrong has the rainbow stripes, and where he doesn't. I have never figured out if the stripes are only on the podium jerseys or not.
Hope that clears some of this up...if I made mistakes, sorry...
May 16, 2003 7:10 AM
|Cipollini became the world champ by winning the one-day world championship race. He gets to wear the rainbow jersey all year. After this year, he gets to wear the rainbows on the sleeves of his jersey for life.
There is also a world cup champion, who wins the title by scoring the most points in all of the world cup events. While arguably a better indicator of who is the world's best rider in a given year, this title lacks the prestige of world champion and you don't get the cool rainbow jersey.
|I thought World Cup Champ got vertical rainbow stripes? (nm)||TNSquared|
May 16, 2003 7:15 AM
|I thought World Cup Champ got vertical rainbow stripes? (nm)||PMC|
May 16, 2003 7:22 AM
|That jersey is reserved for the current World Cup points leader. Peter VanPetegem has that honor at this time.|
|Thanks. I would have thought it worked differently||TNSquared|
May 16, 2003 7:45 AM
|I had assumed that the guy who wins the World Cup at the end of the season got to wear the jersey for the duration of the next season, until a new champ was crowned. So if last year's champ doesn't place well in the first few world cup races, he loses the jersey as soon as the offseason is over? Doesn't seem like much of a reward for putting together a strong season of races.
How does the $$ reward compare to a classics or tour win?
|Jerseys- more than you wanted to know?||noveread|
May 16, 2003 8:23 AM
|Okay, like others have said, the white jersey with the horizontal rainbow stripes belongs to the reigning world champion. The rider only gets to wear the jersey until the next WC race. Because they have not changed the date of the WCs recently, that duration is a year long, but is not tied to the calendar year. Several years ago, they changed the date of the WCs to its current time. I don't remember who, but the year that the dates were changed, there were two events during the calendar year. The winner of the first event only got to wear the jersey for a few months!
Also, each discipline has its own WC jersey. The winner of the discipline can only wear their jersey when competing in those disciplines: RR and TT.
World Cup Jersey: This jersey belongs to the current leader of the World Cup standings. The jersey is ONLY worn during world cup events. The winner of the world cup at the end of the season will wear the jersey for the first world cup event the following year.
Event leaders jerseys: These jerseys denote a leader of a stage race in various categories (overall, sprint, mountains, etc). Cipo was creating a bit of a hubub 'cause he didn't want to wear any of the leader jerseys instead of his beautiful rainbow jersey unless it was the pink leader's jersey. This did not please the UCI as, I understand, there are UCI rules that stipulate the leaders jerseys must be worn! Mario was told, wear the sprint jersey or get thrown out of the race! Well, he lost the jersey that day so it became a non-issue.
That cover it?! :)
|World Championship dates||Duke249|
May 16, 2003 9:43 AM
|The WC switched to the October date in 1995 in Columbia. There were not two WCs in the same year. The previous year's race was in August in Sicily. You may be confused by the fact that Luc Leblanc won the 1994 WC, joined the Le Groupement team for 1995, and then the team folded before the TDF leaving Leblance sans for the remainder of 1995. Abraham Olano won the WC then in 1995.|
|Okay, I'm confused somewhere!||noveread|
May 16, 2003 1:28 PM
|Somewhere I'm getting confused! I'll have to do a bit of research I think!
But anyway, the jersey is still tied to the races, not the calendar!
Duke, I'll post back if I can figure out what I am thinking of!
|Yup, that covers it! (I was just confused about World Cup!) nm||TNSquared|
May 16, 2003 10:26 AM
|To answer your $$ question...||PMC|
May 16, 2003 10:40 AM
|The World Cup Points champion gets Zippo when the series wraps up at the end of the season.
I don't get it either...
|No jersey to keep, no $$ = Injustice!!||TNSquared|
May 16, 2003 11:06 AM
|I hope the individual World Cup races at least pay fairly well.|
|Ah, I see...thanks for the info! (nm)||jtferraro|
May 16, 2003 7:31 AM
|re: Giro Italia and World Champion Jersey Question||lampshade|
May 16, 2003 7:23 AM
|If he had earned the pink jersey would we see a pink jersey with the rainbow stripes? Only Cipo could pull that off.|
|I wouldn't be suprised to learn...||Scot_Gore|
May 16, 2003 7:51 AM
|...that a world class semtress/tailor is as hooked into the the team support commuications as much as the car with the spare bikes. They are awaiting instructions to produce the proper attire for Cippo to wear in the next stage.
So far, they've had it easy.
|re: Giro Italia and World Champion Jersey Question||novagator|
May 16, 2003 7:39 AM
|Cipo won the World Championship in Zoldar, Belgium last year, so he gets to wear the rainbow jersey the rest of this year till the World Championships. After that, he gets to wear the rainbow armbands on his sleeves forever. If he were to have won the right to wear the Maglia Rosa this past week, he would have worn that instead of the Rainbow jersey (although he chose not to wear the Ciclimino jersey during stage 2, so you never now what he would have done), but he would not have given the Rainbow jersey to a teamate, it just wouldn't have been worn.|
|He did wear the Points Jersey this week||fracisco|
May 16, 2003 11:00 AM
|I think it was Stage 3, but Cipo did wear the Blue Jersey when he was threatened with disqualification.
As it is, he has to pay a small fine everytime he races without his team's uniform on, when it is not a 'special jersey' that is part of the race.
|Jersey handling at the big Tours||innergel|
May 16, 2003 11:55 AM
|I have a vague recollection of reading how the big Tour organizers deal with the differing jersey's and having them ready for the podium and the next race day. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it works like this:
The organizers have one of each jersey (GC, KOM, Points, etc.) made for each team that is in a race. Since these jerseys are essentially for show, they are usually a larger size that could fit any rider on a team and are used for the podium festivities only. Notice the fit of the podium jerseys next time and you'll see they are generally a lot looser than usual. After the podium festivities are through, these jerseys are signed and given to chartiy for auction or something similar.
For actual race jerseys, each team is responsible for providing the Tour organizers a standard template of some sort that can be used to sublimate their team/sponsor info onto their actual race leaders jersey. If you look at the various race leader jerseys, you'll notice that the logo areas are all the same size, hence the template. When it is apparent who will be wearing the jersey for the next stage, the Tour has their mobile "print shop" make up the appropriate jersey with the appropriate logos, in the correct size, etc. This can be done fairly quickly with the right equipment.
I think that about covers it.