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Head set issues(6 posts)

Head set issueshayaku
May 16, 2003 1:47 AM
I am currently using a 1" steel fork but have a nice light carbon 1 1/8" fork laying around doing nothing. Is it possible to buy a new head set and use my 1 1/8" fork on my current bike?

Also, are forks for hidden head sets different than standard head set forks? Thanks.
1. NO. 2. Yes, for integrated/depends. nmSpunout
May 16, 2003 3:16 AM
1. NO. 2. Yes, for integrated/depends. nmSteve Bailey
May 16, 2003 7:09 AM
I thought that the choice of fork is normally un-related to whether a headset is integrated or not. This of course depends on whether the manufacturer has designed a propriatary cup design into the headtube.

The fork steerer tube (for integrated systems) would normally be a 1-1/8" regardless, with the fork race the same, also regardless.

I thought that the only thing different between integrated/pressed-in is the press-in part, with integrated essentially having the cups constructed as part of the head tube.

I believe Lemond, as example, designs their integrated along a standard 1-1/8 design utilizing a Cane Creek system.

Anybody know who does it different and why ?.

Steve B.
Fork crown is different for some 'hidden' integrated setsSpunout
May 16, 2003 8:44 AM
where the fork crown fits neatly into the bottom of the head tube. I don't know what kind of nightmare would happen due to this, you couldn't switch forks pending the interface.

Big article on Chris King's website regarding thus, a good read. Google it.
Only 1 LeMond in internal...russw19
May 16, 2003 8:21 PM
There is only one bike in the LeMond line that uses the internal design. The Victoire, which is a mechanically butted Ti frame is the only frame in their line to currently use an internal headset. And it's a pretty generic headset too. It's really disappointing if you ask me, because it's not a Cane Creek headset. It is listed on the website as a Lemond Internal. That's it. And the only reason they use this is because they are contracting out this frame and it's the only way they could get it. The company that builds for them didn't want to have to use a whole other headtube to meet the LeMond specs. It's a nice frame actually, but the only one in the LeMond line to use any thing close to an integrated headset.

And there is a difference (slight) between forks for integrated designs and regular designs. The intergrated forks are designed to contour to the frame assuming there is no headset bottom cup between the fork and the frame. You can use a regular fork, but it won't look as clean in your integrated frame as an integrated fork will.

Russ
LeMond Victoire's internal headsetArt853
May 31, 2003 6:19 AM
I'm considering purchasing a LeMond Victoire. Do you think it should be avoided because of the internal headset?

Bicycling Magazine reviewed the Victoire in March 2003. They stated "internal headset bearings that rest directly on the frame might damage the head tube."

I race occasionally and do triathlons but I would also like this to be an all around bike. If I invest the extra money for a titanium frame I would hope that it will last me the rest of my biking career (30-40 years).

Is this headset design a problem for the frame's long-term durability? Would the Zurich (with a conventional headset) be a better choice if I would like this investment to last a long time?