|Hey JS Haiku did you see the latest from e-caps???||abicirider|
May 15, 2003 7:35 AM
You probably got the flyer in the mail from e-caps but they are marketing a new item called Perpetuem Extreme endurance fuel.
Probably too late to start experiementing with new supplements but this may be good for your 600km brevat,
Anyways may want to check out there website for this new item kinda expensive 8-servings $11.95 16-servings $19.95
Just wanted to pass this along, best of luck on the 600km
Be Safe Out On The Roads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|thanks!!! playing it safe next weekend, though...||JS Haiku Shop|
May 15, 2003 7:40 AM
|will carry a lifetime supply of fig newtons and eat some ham & cheese sandwiches at en route controles, washed down with frappuccino. expect to be sick of gatorade and harvest bars by mile 15, but such is life.
of course i'm harboring thoughts of hammergel flasks for the night miles. maybe a stop at the LBS isn't such a bad idea.
May 15, 2003 7:52 AM
|I don't recall you saying anywhere that the reason you are inflicting all of this mileage/sleep deprivation is b/c you are planning on coming over to ride P-B-P. Are you? If so, let's get together for a pre-ride ride before or a post-ride bar crawl after. I lived a long time in nashvegas and can help you get situated here if/as you get ready for the bif one...
|not riding PBP this year||JS Haiku Shop|
May 15, 2003 7:55 AM
|i'm just riding the brevet series out of sheer stupidity.
actually i'm in memphis, but the brevets are in central/south illinois.
you're across the pond, right?
|not riding PBP this year||philippec|
May 15, 2003 7:59 AM
|yes I am (across the pond) but I am not indulging my weak-minded inner endurance cyclist by riding P-B-P.
May 15, 2003 7:51 AM
|I've been bugging Steve Born for 2 years to do a product that includes electrolytes, so I wouldn't have to take separate pills. I hate taking pills, especially on long hard rides then my mouth gets dry, or I just forget. This looks like the perfect product for serious endurance rides. Not necessary if you are just tooling along, though. These types of products are made for racing level efforts, where you need to absolutely optimize every substance that you put in your body. If you are just rambling along, Twinkies and Gatorade will probably work ok.
|count me as a tool, but not rambling||JS Haiku Shop|
May 15, 2003 8:00 AM
|my pitiful expected 14 mph average over 600k is 7 mph short of a respectable competitive speed. i'll be glad just to finish in a coherent state. this will not be a "rambling" speed for me--expecting wind and other points of interest, plus some scenic miles, and lots of solo riding--not an all-out pace, unless the winds are like that epic 300k in march (then my all-out race pace will be 7 mph in the drops).
May 15, 2003 8:04 AM
|I only averaged about 14 mph on the FC 508 (total time, not just on the bike). Nothing wrong with that, in my book. Some people have no idea how hard that is, factoring in climbing, eating, pooping, stopping at stop signs, etc.
|infantile||JS Haiku Shop|
May 15, 2003 8:11 AM
|aside from pedaling and navigating, it should consist of:
requesting my mother
very elemental. otherwise "infantile".
guess it takes a juvenile personality to find satisfaction in a long solo ride.
man, we suck!
|left out "spitting up" :-) nm||DougSloan|
May 15, 2003 8:46 AM
|wishful thinking nm||JS Haiku Shop|
May 15, 2003 8:47 AM
|And, of course, cursing.||Dale Brigham|
May 15, 2003 8:47 AM
|Because I wanted to make a good impression on you, I restrained myself in the 400K brevet. Since you and I will be on opposite sides of MO for the 600K, you (probably) won't hear me cursing up a blue streak about the wind, roads, cue sheet, locals, etc., which I am wont to do as grinding fatigue overcomes my sunnier side.
On a 600K brevet four years ago, I battled a 20+ mph headwind (e.g., road signs were blown down) solo for almost 100 miles. My mantra was "F*** Kansas, F*** Kansas,...."
Dale "I like Kansas just fine now"
|Dale, shut the @#$%& up!||JS Haiku Shop|
May 15, 2003 8:54 AM
so what's the deal? still haven't changed your plans to bring your ringer and pull me across illinois again? you MO boys are just scared, that's all.
c'mon, it's not all that bad! the forecast for 5/24-5/25 is moderate temps and a little rain, at least for the wind tunnel. how's it lookin' for KC?
btw friendly viewers, i don't know that there is a cloud to Dale's silver lining. seems to be a through-and-through friendly guy, no doubt 'bout it. sixteen hours is a looong time to hold back for a good impression!
-J ("F*** Illinois")
|Goin' to Kansas City, Kansas City, here I come...||Dale Brigham|
May 15, 2003 11:55 AM
|We are afraid of you and your Surly and your big black Carradice bag, J. You scare us.
Actually, Arj, Jen, Dan-O, and me are doing the KC-side 600K brevet because we have "infrastructure" on that side of the state. Jen and I each have siblings in KC, so we will have places to "crash" (as you kids say) after the debacle. Also, my parents will be up from Tejas visiting my sis and bro-in-law M-Day weekend, and my wife and I will be joining them after the ride. So, lots and lots of reasons to do the 600 in KC.
Okay, it's the beard that is really scaring us.
P.S. Forecast for KC on 24th is for scattered showers and a high of 75 F. No doubt, this could change. DB
|curious, what kind of cadence do ultra riders use? nm||weiwentg|
May 15, 2003 11:27 AM
May 15, 2003 11:38 AM
|I read somewhere that typical for RAAM riders was around 80 rpms. Not sure if that is by design or they just wear out. I'm typically much faster than than other ultra riders on doubles and 508 that I see, and my average is probably around 90-95.