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Permission granted: Operation New Frame(22 posts)

Permission granted: Operation New Framej-son
May 14, 2003 1:38 AM
The One Who Must be Obeyed ... aka my lovely wife ... has granted me permission to get a new frame this summer. Actually, she told me to get a new frame and she set a deadline: 1 June 03. I've gotta seal the deal before this date, or the deals off -- kaput.

Need a little advice and feedback. I've been riding s steel Serotta since about 95 (yes, the same frame; it's ancient and very tired). I don't race anymore, but I ride hard and often. I'd like a light bike but not at the expense of durability. I stand about 5'10"ish (depending on gravity, sometimes a wee bit shorter) and weigh 155. I've got shortish legs and a longish torso. I know the mantra: fit fit fit. Whatever I get will fit. That's a given.

I would appreciate visceral comments about whats cool and why. I'm pretty open to suggestion. Budget: $2000, frame and fork.

Here's the shortlist I've already cobbled together of likely suspects:
Merckx Team SC
Cervelo Soloist
Steelman Signature SR
the new Trek (I know ... I think it looks cool)

Thanks in advance for the suggestions and comments!

Why not get another Serotta?Len J
May 14, 2003 3:29 AM
Why not get another Serotta?Len J
May 14, 2003 3:36 AM
Custom fit, ride great, not too many of them, custom setup.

Seriously, What kind of riding? Spinner or masher? Long or short rides? What else have you ridden that you liked? Disliked? Give us some insight into what you want.

Custom steel is definitely worth consideringboneman
May 14, 2003 7:57 AM
Len J's got a good point unless you're looking for a change. I'd also look at the Pegoretti's, the Marcello, if you're into light steel as they can also be had in custom fitting although I'm not sure about the current waiting list.

There are a lot of custom builders but having had 3 custom steel frames made over the past 13 years, I personally would only have one made by a builder with whom you are comfortable with and who can measure you in person, preferably on a jig.

A good builder can make the ride and handling characteristics of the bike match to your riding style and preferences.

FWIW, I have dealt with Brent Steelman in the past for a custom stem and spent as much time on the stem as I did on my first custom steel made by Marinoni.
Why not get another Serotta?j-son
May 14, 2003 11:40 AM
Thanks for your comments Len. It's probably silly, but I want something other than a Serotta. No doubt, they're great bikes but I've ridden one for years. I'd just like something new! (Although I'd be more than satisfied with a Ti like yours, but that's a little too much $$$)

What kind of rider am I ... more of a spinner than a masher. I do a bunch of centuries every year. I like to ride hard but cycling is more about having fun than exerciing. I have delusions of one day returning to racing (after my wife is out of school).

It's been a very longtime since I've ridden anything but my Serotta. I live in a military and college town with one bike shop, that really more of a hiking/camping store. Their one high end bike is a dusty OCLV with an Ultegra triple. So test rides are pretty much out. I konw what works for me as far as geometry goes (I comforatbly ride a 54.5-55 cm tt; 73/73 angles, etc).

I want something that will be light, stiff, durable, comfortable and pretty. Not asking much, am I? I really haven't kept up that much with frames over the last few years.

Thanks for the help.
I can relate to that............Len J
May 14, 2003 2:57 PM
feeling of wanting something different. I suffer from the same malady.

Some thoughts. If I was looking for what you describe, I would also want something that I didn't see every day (Yea I know it's vanity). With that plus fit in mind, I'd probably look to a custom builder in my area that I had confidence in. I live in the northeast and am about 3 hours from Tom Kellog in Allentown and would probably buy a steel custom with a unique paint job from Spectrum
($1,950 with frame fork & headset)

There are many good custom steel builders in addition to Spectrum:


It will be fun looking.

I'd go with the Cervelolonefrontranger
May 14, 2003 5:19 AM
Only because I was looking at Cervelo brochures and fondling one of the frames while waiting for some bits at Excel the other day.

Seriously they are sweet bikes. And with your dimensions you can't go wrong with the compact geometry. You probably won't see yourself coming and going, unless Tyler wins the tour

Now THERE'S an interesting concept - If Tyler wins the Tour and Cervelos get popular, do you think all those guys on USPS Treks are gonna get those ridiculous pissing Calvin stickers for their bikes a' la NASCAR fans?

just stream of consciousness this AM...
blasphemy nmJS Haiku Shop
May 14, 2003 5:21 AM
ditto on the Cervelo, but check out the super prodigy too!(nm)MrDan
May 14, 2003 6:52 PM
Cool is in the shivers of the beholder.djg
May 14, 2003 5:48 AM
But here's a few entirely disparate things that stand out to me in your price range:

Colnago CT1--got one and it rocks. US list is more than you want to spend, but it's available for welll under 2k from England.

Steelman--seems nice, never had one. IF--same.

Pegoretti Marcelo--Bill has one and it's a nice bike. Very light for steel.

Moon custom--way traditional, and very crafty and purty.

Look 381i.

Strong custom Ti.

And many more.
At 155 pounds, you can get a silly light frame.MR_GRUMPY
May 14, 2003 6:36 AM
If you're looking at a steel frame, look at something made out of True Temper s-3 tubes. (under 3 pounds) If you're going with Aluminum, get something about 1 Kilo.
At 155 pounds, you can get a silly light frame.abelson
May 14, 2003 6:46 AM
Waterford makes a bike with True Temper S3 that would be in your budget
I think the frame only is $2000................nmMR_GRUMPY
May 14, 2003 6:57 AM
check out www.vanillabicycles.comphilippec
May 14, 2003 7:05 AM
I looked there thanks to a post below -- I didn't think I would lust for steel again until I saw their frames (Sycip is also pretty nice...)


Get a De Rosa!!!Cat 3 boy
May 14, 2003 7:08 AM
Seriously, look at the Merckx, and De Rosa Merak if you can, BUT the most important thing is FIT.

Why not get a custom frame, maybe some of those USA builders can help you out? Only problem is your wife's deadline, could be tricky if you're getting it made to measure.

PS How the hell did you get her to say yes! PLease let me know, I've just left flowers & champagne in our kitchen (which I've just cleaned) in a desperate attempt to get my lady to say YES!

Cat 3 Boy
At 155 pounds you should look at the De Rosa UD. (nm)onespeed
May 14, 2003 7:20 AM
Get a De Rosa!!!j-son
May 14, 2003 11:30 AM
"PS How the hell did you get her to say yes! PLease let me know, I've just left flowers & champagne in our kitchen (which I've just cleaned) in a desperate attempt to get my lady to say YES!"

Three years of suffering and poverty ... seriously. My wife is a veterinary student just starting (today, in fact) her fourth year clinicals. We've sacrificed pretty much everything for the past three years for her school. We're finally at a position where we have a little extra money ... and she told me to go ahead and spend a little to get something nice.

Oh ... it's also an early 30th b'day present.
Merckx, Merckx, Merckx!!!AFred
May 14, 2003 7:33 AM
The Team SC is a blast! Light, fast, and as they say in Belgium, "It goes in a straight line." You can't go wrong with King Eddy's Century Geometry either. To be totally honest, however, the Team SC is not for long, leisurely rides. It's meant to go from Point A to B very fast. I just bought a Merckx Fuga (this year's Race) and I think it's an excellent compromise between my Team SC and my Kestrel. Light aluminum, Merckx geometry and just enough carbon to smooth out the bumps on longer, fast group rides. Have fun shopping!
re: Permission granted: Operation New Frameinnergel
May 14, 2003 12:26 PM
Take a look at Seven Cycles. Full custom for no extra charge. Last time I looked, the ti Alaris was $2000. They also have steel models of the Odonata and Axiom. No pricing listed on either of these, although they are probably in the same range.

Rave reviews across the board for all models.
May 14, 2003 5:55 PM
Dollar for dollar, you can't go wrong with an El Diente.
How about Look?KG 361
May 14, 2003 7:49 PM
Excel sports has some killer deals on Looks ranging from the KG 361 to the KG 381i-I can't say enough about these frames and if you are used to the ride of steel, you'll love the ride of a Look.
Steelman SRhammy
May 15, 2003 3:06 PM
Check out the current "bike of the week"
16.5lbs. Comfy it up a little and have Brent build it with a carbon wishbone seatstay. Steelman's are a sweet, resilient, durable ride...and you won't see any others on the road.