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bottom line on spoilers (Giro starts tomorrow)(26 posts)

bottom line on spoilers (Giro starts tomorrow)DougSloan
May 9, 2003 9:09 AM
Since the Giro starts tomorrow, I suppose we'd better get this clarified.

Without reciting all the reasons discussed in other threads, here is what we'll do:

1. No spoilers, without disclosure, in any forum other than the Tour/Giro Forum. If you discuss results in any other forum, do not reveal results in the topic line, and put "spoiler" or "results" in the topic line. All posts not in compliance will be deleted, and if people persist in violating the rules, they risk getting banned.

2. The Tour/Giro Forum is wide open fair game. Don't go there if you don't want to see results.

Doug
Question...ClydeTri
May 9, 2003 9:16 AM
at what point is it no longer "current"? It is shown live, then replayed that evening I am assuming..so, if sometime occured say today in a stage, it would be fair game tomorrow to discuss? One day seems fair.
you can always discuss itDougSloan
May 9, 2003 9:19 AM
You can always discuss it, but just not without disclosure, or do it in the Tour Forum any way you want to. No spoilers in the other forums, regardless of time, until well after the whole tour is done. Any other way of doing this is too difficult to manage.

Doug
you can always discuss itClydeTri
May 9, 2003 9:22 AM
How is me posting about something three stages ago spoiling it for anybody? If they arent keeping up with it better they need to be informed. This seems to be the ol' dumbing it down philosphy...we have to wait on the slowest kid to watch the tv show before we can talk about it. geesh as Charlie Brown would say...
avoids ambiguity and simplerDougSloan
May 9, 2003 9:27 AM
I don't want to have to keep track, and since it's such a simple thing to do, for people to put the warning in the topic, this just seems as reasonable way of going about it. This seems like a reasonable compromise that is straightforward and easy to manage.

As a practical matter, I think most of the good discussions during the tours occur on the tour forum, anyway.

Doug
Good policy, Doug.KG 361
May 9, 2003 9:49 AM
If people can't follow those rules, then, well, they deserve to be "banished".
Giro d' Italia = on topic at any moment in Giro Forum!russw19
May 9, 2003 12:03 PM
I think Charlie's geesh would be directed at people who just can't seem to log onto the Giro/Tour Forum... it's easy, just hit the button on your mouse while it's over the link!

What Doug is saying makes perfect sense.... if you want to talk about the GIRO...do it in the GIRO FORUM! why is that a difficult concept? That's the exact reason that forum is there to begin with.

Russ
as a lawyer, define "well after"ClydeTri
May 9, 2003 10:17 AM
Words have meanings...if we have rules, we need them clear, correct? Is well after a week? a month? a year? an eon? an epoch?
1 weekDougSloan
May 9, 2003 10:24 AM
Geez. How about a week? At that point, even your local 5 page newspaper has published it, the winner had been given his ticker-tape parade, appeared on Letterman, and Velonews has put this picture on the front cover. So, 7 days (24 hour periods) from the moment the last finisher crosses the line on the last stage, to the minute, GMT, you can post results in the topic line.

I find it hard to believe that someone is going to be on standby, waiting for the time to pass, then 30 seconds later post a message about the result with no "spoiler" indication in the topic line. I guess people just cannot be relied upon to be respectful of others on their own. We shouldn't even need a rule. The rule should be "forever", but I think someone would have an aneurism if they had to wait too long.

Doug
its not that...ClydeTri
May 9, 2003 10:29 AM
but if you are going to lock people out from posting here, we need to know the rulebook..only fair...so, its one week from the final moment of the race...so, we cant discuss the prologue of the tour without the word spoiler for almost a month for fear of having our IP locked out...geesh said Charlie Brown...
How can I put this nicely...DougSloan
May 9, 2003 10:41 AM
I think we have moved from the discussion/argument phase to the implementation phase.

You can discuss anything, anytime, all you want, just use the spoiler indication or do anything you want in the Tour forum. Done deal. If anyone can't follow that rule, they deserve to be locked out.

Thanks for everyone's input. I hope the rules are clear and that the compromise is seen as reasonable for all concerned. Now, I'm moving on from this discussion topic so that we can get back to other things more interesting.

Doug
Agreed: The Horse is Dead nmRJF
May 9, 2003 12:57 PM
its not that...russw19
May 9, 2003 12:10 PM
Let it go man... just take up posting the results in real time with the rest of the people who will be watching it in real time in GIRO FORUM! How hard is this, really?? Is it that big of an inconvienience to your life that you have to post the results in the General Forum and not the appropriate Giro Forum?

Geesh said Charlie Brown, Lucy, Linus, The Great Pumpkin, Snoopy, Woodstock, and all of the South Park cast too.

Russ
its not that...mackgoo
May 9, 2003 1:04 PM
The "rule book" is no results in the topic, If you want to discuss the race including who won then simply type the disclaimer. How hard is that to understand?
I think 24 hours is fine, or we're stuck with 'forever'. nmSpunout
May 9, 2003 9:24 AM
stuck with?JS Haiku Shop
May 9, 2003 9:51 AM
how about we modify the way we're posting discussions--it's simple as including "results" or "spoiler" in the subject line, and letting your discussions roam where they will, but within the confines of the message (post) body.

let's not get too far with this--the policy is not "do not discuss races in the general forum". it's "do not ruin it for others by putting results in the topic line". it's like sneaking into the living room at 2 AM on christmas and unwrapping your sister's presents--on purpose. did she have to ask you not to do that?

it's an issue of mutual respect.
Question...purplepaul
May 9, 2003 9:43 AM
Why not just stick to a policy of NEVER listing the results in the header? Is that really so difficult? What is lost by relegating it to the body of the message?
Remember the VCR?LC
May 9, 2003 11:50 AM
Some of us have this new thing called a VCR! I happen to like racing, and that is why I do it myself and also watch it on TV. If your doing your own racing then you often have a long road trip to get to a weekend stage race and it is days before I get to watch someone else race. You should try it yourself and you might get alot more out of watching it on TV.
sounds reasonable to metarwheel
May 9, 2003 9:44 AM
If nothing else, to avoid all the messages from people whining about spoilers regarding a race that happened 2 days or a week ago. How much effort is it to type SPOILER in the header?
unbelieveable. people, be courteous and respectfulJS Haiku Shop
May 9, 2003 9:46 AM
of others and post results and spoilers either with it in the subject line, or on the appropriate (not this) forum.

it's not difficult. show some restraint.

deciding that 12 or 24 or 36 hours or a week or two weeks is enough time before posting tag lines with spoiler info is tantamount to dictating to other users of the board how much time they have to watch or review the races & results. some people either aren't or don't care to be in that time frame and situation. there are many different circumstances. it's common courtesy to respect others decisions in a collective environment such as this.

give me a break.
Don't you feel better now?Spoiler
May 9, 2003 9:56 AM
Laying down the law can be quite theraputic.
I'll be watching you ;-) nmDougSloan
May 9, 2003 10:00 AM
I had an operationSpoiler
May 9, 2003 11:24 AM
I had my vasspoilephrens snipped. The doctor said this should end all urges to spoil.
Timely article on spoilersRJF
May 9, 2003 12:52 PM
http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/3884.0.html

Found this humorous in light of recent discussions here.
All this blabber about spoilers makes me wish Nick was back...biknben
May 9, 2003 5:04 PM
Dare I say it. Nick was more entertaining than this Spoiler garbage.

Doug, I'm with you. If I feel the need to discuss it, I have no problem doing it in the appropriate forum. If I do it here, I have enough respect for the other users to indicate it in the header.

Frankly, I come here to get most of my news. When available, I listen to the live race audio online. No one is spoiling anything for me. Let's move on!!!
AN IMPORTANT WORD OF WARNING PEOPLESpoiler
May 9, 2003 6:03 PM
We have a policy and concequences for violating those policies
BUT
this doesn't guarantee that someone won't try and succeed in posting a spoiler in a topic heading. Someone will try. Someone who doesn't give a damn if the post gets deleted or they get banned will give it a shot. It's become obvious that the issue is a big deal, so the temptation is too great.
Personally, I'm going to be in school or working while the race is on live. I'll be taping it. If I want to view the forum, it will only be during the time the race is on. After the results are in, if I absolutely want to be kept in the dark, I'll avoid the forum.