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spoilers... can we come to a consensus?(17 posts)

spoilers... can we come to a consensus?Frith
May 9, 2003 7:54 AM
If it's so hard for some of us to refrain from posting results in topic lines perhaps we can come up with some firm guidlines. If we manage to discuss this maturely and not flame then Doug and the rest of us will at least know from this thread where we all stand on the issue.

A couple options to discuss.
1. No spoilers ever: that means regardless of when the race happens ANY post that contains results in the topic will be deleted. Also any post that does not warn of results within the text will be deleted.

2.Expiry spoilers: A result may be posted some number (perhaps 30) of days after the event occured. This will go for any post containing a spoiler in the topic line or any post that does not warn of a spoiler within the contents.
This will eliminate the rediculousness of not being able to post a reference to who won the Tour a year ago.

3.Expiry on content spoilers. They will be allowed without a warning after a number of days. Topic line spoilers however, will not be allowed at any time.

4.Topic line spoilers disallowed. Content spoilers allowed without warning

5.Spoiler free for all. No policy regarding this issue. Up to the individual to stay clear of any information that has the potential to spoil a race.
maybe it's me, but this spoiler business seems a bit much.bill
May 9, 2003 8:05 AM
who friggin cares? I have an interest in who is winning and who is losing. I also have an interest in watching bike racing. These are different things. If I know that Tyler won from some chance sighting on an Internet site, I'm still interested in seeing how he won. Nothing is spoiled. I don't get it.
Everyone relax. It's a bike forum. If you are going to get all upset because somebody is talking about bike racing, well, I just don't get that.
I could see holding off on a spoiler for maybe 24 hours, maybe not even (like, twelve), giving the people who feel different from I a chance to go home and view the tape they made. After that, it should be fair game.
Take it from the original "Spoiler"Spoiler
May 9, 2003 8:40 AM
This isn't about Tyler winning Leige a week ago. It's about OLN's daily coverge of the Giro and the Tour.
The network airs live coverage in the morning when everybody is at work. They reair at night. This goes on every day for 21 days straight. People start to follow the race closely, start cheering for their favorite rider and look forward to watching the race nightly. When you don't know who won, it's more like watching a live sporting even like the superbowl or world series, there's the added element of suspense. These same people might have a tech question they want to ask, or they may have an answer for someone else's queston. The community is won't be able to share their information if they are forced to avoid the forum for fear of having spoilers thrown in their face.

People who post a result with a topic heading like
"Simoni wins stage 11!" act like they're the first to "scoop" all other sources. They saw the live coverage, but now that their enjoyment of suspence is over, they're going to go out of their way to eliminate anyone else's chance of it.
There are a billion internet sources and sites that provide the daily results. Cyclingnews.com for instance.

Other people post spoilers just to get off by being a pain in the azz. They know others look forward to seeing the race at night, not knowing the results, and the spoilers get a sense of control over them by interfering. I should know. I popped up exactly a year ago. How do you think I got my name? It takes one to know one.

RBR has set up special forums just for the stage races where people can discuss daily results. If a person wants to know the daily results and discuss and is going to rely on RBR's forums for their sole source, they can check the special boards.
Spoiler free for all!Spoiler
May 9, 2003 8:14 AM
Anarchy! Skate or Die! Clapton is GOD! No justice, no peace!
Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there!
re: spoilers... can we come to a consensus?TwoBikes
May 9, 2003 8:16 AM
I don't get OLN in Boston, so I like to have the discussion as soon as the event is over. If people don't want to be spoiled, they shouldn't check out the site for 7 days, it SHOULDN'T be the other way around.

If there is a result, feel free to post it in the summary, the body, etc.
Giro de Italia - Spoiler!!853
May 9, 2003 8:21 AM
So simple to do, and solves all the problems. If you want to look ,look. If you can't stand the temptation that's your fault!
24hrs or free for allRJF
May 9, 2003 8:24 AM
I'm starting to think that the best way to do it is the free for all. If you don't want to know what's for dinner, don't peek in the oven.
The interview was "invented" to spread news! Wasn't it? (nm)phatlizard
May 9, 2003 8:24 AM
ooooops I meant Internet! :) (nm)phatlizard
May 9, 2003 8:26 AM
FWIW: I agree w/Billcoonass
May 9, 2003 8:37 AM
The Giro and TdF are coming up soon and personally I am looking forward to seeing the stages and ANTICIPATING who is going to win the stage. What good is it to watch (or listen to) any event if you already know the outcome?? I enjoy the excitement of the competition and hoping that my pick will win whether it is racing, basketball, football, soccer, whatever. To announce the results of a competition before the telecast is a definite sign of adolescent immaturity and insecurity. If the 'spoilers' insist on posting, then I'll just not visit the RBR site during the races and enjoy the stages....
you got it -- done deal -- no spoilersDougSloan
May 9, 2003 8:47 AM
Ok, so it matters to at least one person, and likely others, too.

For the Tours, no spoilers (in topic line or undisclosed) until the whole tour is over. That will be the rule until and unless I hear differently from the site owners. So it is written...

I'm not going to mess with editing them to fix them, either. I spend too much time here as it is. They will be deleted. Sorry, but it's very easy to avoid and gives due consideration to some members who we don't want to run off during the entire tours.

Doug
very reasonableweiwentg
May 9, 2003 10:36 AM
I'd say 2-3 weeks for 1-day events.
Yikes !!! Agree w/ Frith NOT Billcoonass
May 9, 2003 8:48 AM
FWIW: I have no problem with "Giro: spoiler inside!" as thebill
May 9, 2003 9:43 AM
rule of the day.
But, does this mean that referring to the prologue when it's week-old news still is a no-no? Doug?
not that complicatedDougSloan
May 9, 2003 9:49 AM
No spoilers until well after the tour is over. I just can't be muddled down with keeping track of when would be appropriate for each stage, etc. It would be like the cops enforcing different speed limits for 30 different kinds of vehicles. At some point, you just need a concrete, even if arbitrary or "least common denominator" rule, rather than a "reasonableness" or varying rule.

This is so darn easy, I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of it. Either post the spoiler message in the topic line, or if you can't hold back, go to the Tour forum and spoil away. (apparent impatience not directed at you, Bill).

Doug
Giro/Tour/Vuelta discussion board will have no laws.Spunout
May 9, 2003 8:46 AM
Since I don't have TV, my news is over the internet in real time. No need to wait!
Tour forum is fair gameDougSloan
May 9, 2003 8:50 AM
The no spoiler rule does not apply in the tour forum. It's a free-for-all there. Don't put them in other forums, though.

Doug