|Sloping tubs on the World Champs Bike? Nope.||sievers11|
May 9, 2003 7:30 AM
|I don't think so.
If specialized is going to make a bike to commemorate cipo's win then why on earth isn't is a replica of his bike. Not to beat a dead horse, but come on... commemorate the mans bike...if you are not going to do that then just make a coffee cup with a rainbow on it.
Other than the color(I like the world champ style zebra print), do you notice anything different about these two bikes?
|It would send a mixed message||Fez|
May 9, 2003 7:54 AM
|I agree with you. I posted the other day about that world championship ltd edition frame because I think it looks great.
But Specialized is now 100% compact in the road line and naturally the marketing message they send is that compact has advantages.
Cipo is great enough that he can demand a custom, nonsloping geometry from Specialized.
Issuing a nonsloping replica would send a mixed message, not to mention probably introduce some production inefficiencies. As it stands, its the same frame as the black and white zebra team replica with only a different paintjob. Your idea would have Specialized make a completely different geometry frame.
NOt likely, but I wish they would do it anyway.
|Spoiler Alert: Cipo won the worlds!! ;-) nm||Spunout|
May 9, 2003 7:57 AM
|I don't understand the context of your post||Scot_Gore|
May 9, 2003 8:07 AM
|Specialzed is offering the bikes in both Zebra strips and white with Rainbow strips (frame/fork only for this I think). Your picture is one of the other color choices they offer in the Allez and S-Works line. This one's not meant to commemorate Cippo, it looks like someones personal bike.
What's the context of the blue bikes picture ?
|'splain it to me Lucy!||TWD|
May 9, 2003 8:49 AM
|Here is what I gathered from it.
The blue bike in the picture with standard horizontal top tube is the one Mario actually rode to the win at Worlds last year (blue for the matching Italy kit).
The rainbow stripe version commemorating Mario's win has sloping top tube, i.e. not what he rode to the win.
I think the deal is that some people want to ride the identical bike that Mario rides. Kinda like Lance riding a stock Trek, and Trek saying "we won't make it if Lance won't ride it."
I think there is a different marketing strategy between Trek and Specialized. Trek thinks, Lance is our biggest marketing tool, we want everbody to know that he rides our stock bike, and everybody probably does. Look at pretty much every single Trek OCLV posted on Ebay and you'll see, "Ride the same bike Lance rode to a win in the Tour"
Specialized on the other hand is probably figuring that, hey, the average joe who is going to buy this Mario bike isn't going to go dig up a photo from Cycling news and say, hey, Mario's frame has different geometry than mine. I think it would be far more obvious to the average consumer if Specialized's flagship Mario bike has standard geometry and the rest of their line didn't.
So, the question is, what is Mario riding this year? Is it compact or is it the same as what he rode at Worlds last year? I haven't paid much attention.
|a sloping tub is probably going to spill water. nm||mohair_chair|
May 9, 2003 8:23 AM
|His current ride also looks like a 'non-sloping' frame.||fracisco|
May 9, 2003 12:11 PM
|Check the pic from www.cyclingnews.com:
|re: Sloping tubs on the World Champs Bike? Nope.||Will Ross|
May 10, 2003 6:41 AM
|As pointed out above, the rainbow bike is commemorative, not a replica -- Colnago did the same with a rainbow C40 to commemorate Freire's win, did they not? And Cipo's Specialized frames have never had a sloped top tube; he just doesn't like them. It's an aluminum frame, so custom geometry for the pros is easier to do and makes more sense than for pros, like Lance, riding OCLV Treks. And a lot of sloping top tube bikes have varying degress of slope depending on frame size, often including a straight top tube in the upper sizes. So I just don't think it's a big deal (plus, I'll bet the bike Cipo rode last year was stiffened up from the production model to accomodate his huge wattage as well).|| |