|Tyler Wins L-B-L -- No Longer a Spoiler!!!||velocity|
May 8, 2003 4:21 PM
|Oh, what a victory for Tyler now that I've finally seen it! Lance was the strongest rider. Don't you now see why Eddy questioned Lance's tactics?|
|re: Tyler Wins L-B-L -- No Longer a Spoiler!!!||MaRider|
May 8, 2003 5:23 PM
|Thanks for nothing, I was going to watch a 2AM replay!
Not sure I understand what the hooplah about Axel is. He got passed by a whole bunch of them on the climb. Seems like he was the one who went into the break too soon, and then died, instead of coming back to the group and working together. No?
|The Armstrong group||velocity|
May 9, 2003 7:46 AM
|blew by Axel, who could have been Lance's ally if he'd been able to hook on with the group. Lance was without teammates yet clearly the strongest rider. He wound up doing the majority of the work, pushing and pushing the pace. I think Merckx was a bit surprised that Lance didn't strategically work with the group to tire out his main rivals and conserve his own energy for a breakaway closer to the finish. But, then again, for Lance it's a training race!|
|It is a spoiler for the west coast. Wait until 3am Eastern nm||Bruno S|
May 8, 2003 8:02 PM
|re: Tyler Wins L-B-L -- No Longer a Spoiler!!!||Sintesi|
May 8, 2003 8:10 PM
|I was looking for the broken seatpost. Anyone see it? I can see the criticism against LA. It was foolish to try and break away when it became obvious those two bums weren't going to help, not to mention CSC had organized an effective chase. It was impossible to stay away. LA should have sat up long before he was caught and saved his energy imho. It was like shades of old impatient LA. Obviously he was feeling really good; I guess he felt he could drop the group and TT to the finish. Either the course wasn't selective enough or LA wasn't strong enough to pull it off. I think the latter was true.
Tyler, man, you could see every last ounce going into that last climb. That's what you gotta do: sieze the stray opportunity and have absolutely nothing in the tank when you finish. He said that was the most painful 2 km of his entire career and it showed. Awesome effort.
The tour could get interesting.
|WTF? I was just going to watch that!||LC|
May 8, 2003 9:07 PM
|It will be on in about an hour :(|
|Give it up! 24hr spoiler limit or quit surfing cycling sitesnfm||Spunout|
May 9, 2003 4:01 AM
|Hey Velocity!! Thanks for SPOILING L-B-L for so many!!!! nm||DUOHEAD|
May 8, 2003 9:17 PM
|Hey Velocity!! Thanks for SPOILING L-B-L for so many!!!! nm||Cat 4 boy|
May 9, 2003 4:50 AM
That race occurred nearly 2 weeks ago, have you really been hiding all that time waiting for the TV coverage?!? ;)
|What Lance said to Tyler after the race........||CARBON110|
May 9, 2003 6:13 AM
|Lance and Tyler in my mind are the best examples of great cyclists. They are modest, well spoken, reserved and don't give way to hubris when others insult them or they drop everyone. Like so many others do ahem...Simoni,Beloki, MCewen <----- Big mouths :O.
Tyler said on cyclingnews.com that Lance sent him a message saying "congratulations Tyler" 10 minutes after the race before he got to the podium. I thought Tyle's comments on Lance while being interviewed after the race where overly impressive. It says something about the company you keep and those who you call friends.
|why is it so difficult to refrain from the spoilers?||DougSloan|
May 9, 2003 6:28 AM
|Regardless of when you think it is appropriate, why is it so darn difficult to avoid intentionally spoiling it for others? What adolescent hormone influence makes it impossible to post about a race without mentioning the result on the topic line?
You may think it's appropriate, but it may not be for others. The rule is "no spoilers." It doesn't say "no spoilers for 1 week," or "no spoilers until the first time the race is on OLN."
From now on, folks, there won't be any judgment calls on this issue. The rule is the rule, and regardless of how any of us personally feel about it, particularly because it is so darn simple to follow, it's going to be followed.
Can anyone give any reasonable argument for why spoilers are necessary, or the better alternative to not having them? I've never heard anything; all I can imagine is that someone is either intentionally being a jerk or is so caught up in some emotional state after hearing about the results that he just can't contain himself.
Until I, or Gregg, I suppose, is made aware of some legitimate reason to allow them, they are going to be deleted. Sorry, but that is the general consensus of the forum and the rule here.
|I see your point but...||velocity|
May 9, 2003 6:49 AM
|If someone follows racing, knows what "L-B-L" & "Tyler" stands for, and yet manages not to read the results in VeloNews, ProCycling, Cycle Sport, etc, etc., -- and to avoid all the discussion on this site -- waiting to see the race unfold two weeks later on tv, well, hats off to you. I've never met such a person in the flesh. Knowing who won doesn't spoil it for me; it's finding out how the race unfolds that interests me. If I spoiled it for you, I'm sorry.|
|what would you recommend?||DougSloan|
May 9, 2003 7:01 AM
1. Even assuming spoilers are somehow necessary and you just can't help it, what would you recommend as to a rule for when they are allowed? With no guideline, you put me in the position of having to make a judgment call every single time, and I'd rather not do that.
2. Why can you not post about the topic, but just not put the spoiler in the topic line? I just don't get it. What does that add to the post that otherwise would be lost? Is it more attention getting? Do you enjoy the controversy of tweaking people a little, skirting the rules, or flame baiting? Please let me know what you are thinking, because I'm totally at a loss for why people feel they need to do this.
|suggestion: allow "spoliers" after race is on TV?||weiwentg|
May 9, 2003 7:18 AM
|that's to answer part 1.
to answer part 2, some people probably do simply enjoy irritating others (which would be a bit more understandable in winter, but isn't it spring already, aside from the tornados?).
May 9, 2003 7:23 AM
|But then, on TV where? Which time? What if someone misses the first time, but wants to see it taped or re-broadcast later? How do I necessarily know when it's running (I'm not going to keep track of every race just to police this here)? See what I mean? Why make it so darn difficult when there is no need for it in the first place, that is, just don't do it?
How about 30 days? If you want to post about last years' TdF winner, no doubt everyone knows Lance one, etc. Nonetheless, I still am put in a position of having to monitor this, and it would be far easier just to avoid it. I'm still leaning towards just keeping spoilers out unless someone comes up with a good reason for why they are desireable in the first place.
|You are trying too hard||RJF|
May 9, 2003 7:39 AM
|You are wasting a lot of energy trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. The rules should not cater to the super-sensitive freak who wants to hide from the results of one of the season's biggest events. There's no "eggshell plaintiff" rule on message boards! ;)|
|My intention was NOT to flaunt the rules or flame bait.||velocity|
May 9, 2003 7:28 AM
|I thought there was an expiration date for spoilers but, now that I've been told there is none, I won't EVER put a result in the topic line -- no matter how far in the past a race took place.
Re L-B-L, in my overflowing enthusiasm for CSC's smart tactics, for Tyler's courageous riding as well as his poise on and off the bike, I got a bit carried away. I didn't realize at the time that posting my topic when I did would be spoiling it for some who'd managed to block out the results and were still dying to see the race on OLN w/o knowing the outcome on the west coast.
|Ylerteh insweh iegeleh-astognebeh-iegeleh? Better? nm||Spunout|
May 9, 2003 7:49 AM
|Who is this mythical person we are protecting?||RJF|
May 9, 2003 7:35 AM
|If you are a serious race fan, then you were on the internet the second L-B-L was over to get the results. No serious race fan would wait two weeks to find out the results because they wanted to be "surprised" while watching it on OLN. That person just doesn't exist, and if it does, he or she is an extreme case and the rest of the world should not curb its behavior to protect one extremist.
The "spoiler" rule should be simple:
1. If the race is televised within 24 hours of the event's finish, then no spoilers until after it is televised. If the race is not televised within 24 hours of the event's finish, then spoil away.
2. If the race is televised more than 24 hours after the event's finish and you STILL don't want to know who won, then use your head and do not visit cycling message boards. Duh.
99.999999999% of the people here would be happy as hell with those simple rules. It's not brain surgery.
|Agree. All in favour say 'Aye'. POLL NOW! nm||Spunout|
May 9, 2003 7:48 AM
|24 hours seems reasonable||DougSloan|
May 9, 2003 7:51 AM
|Personally, I don't care. I usually know results before I ever would seem them here. I like to know right away.
Especially during the big tours, people really do complain about the spoilers. It's not a mythical situation, but a very real complaint then.
Unless someone, anyone, disagrees, why don't we do 24 hours? Still, to avoid the issue, it would be preferable to not put the spoiler in the topic line and disclose it if there are results on the body. It's not that hard.
|ok but what time zone?||MJ|
May 9, 2003 8:09 AM
|Sydney? London? Dallas? or the time zone of from where the race was held?
devil's in the detail
|24h from event finish. We're global on the i-net. nm||Spunout|
May 9, 2003 8:16 AM
|24 hours? What are we talking about?||Spoiler|
May 9, 2003 9:29 AM
|This sounds like we're asking a bunch of children to pinch their weiners and not go peepee until we get to grandma's house. Do we really anticipate them sitting by the monitor with a stopwatch?
Behave like children and get treated like children. This is like parents who "count to three".
They tell their kids to stop doing something. Then they say, "I'm going to count to three."
Inevitably, the brat waits till the count of 2.98 to stop doing it. The kid showed disrespect when the count passed 1.
JUST SAY NO!
|I'm with Doug on this||ronniedee|
May 11, 2003 5:01 AM
|Not everyone is a serious race fan, but most of us enjoy watching when we get a chance.
Cycling messageboards are for all cyling enthusiasts, not just serious race fans.
And he never said that you could not post any results. I believe his request is that you simply keep them out of the header. What's so difficult about that? What does that take away from the post?
A 24 hour spoiler limit is not long enough for us not-as-serious race fans.
|We come on this board to discuss Racing and Cycling...||853|
May 9, 2003 8:18 AM
|I know I was looking at the race report as soon as it was done, I follow the minute by minute report on velonews of the tours - that does not stop me from enjoying the race later that night!
Who cares!! Simply post on the topic line -
"Race Name - SPOILER"
|We come on this board to discuss Racing and Cycling...||Jon Billheimer|
May 9, 2003 8:35 AM
|I agree with 853. EVERYBODY, get over it! We live in the information age. We're cyclists. We're interested in racing. Geez. If you want to be insulated from info., go join a monastery.|
|My guess is that *nearly* everyone here knows how to use a com..||Spunout|
May 9, 2003 8:40 AM
|puter; and the information is out there.
I watch stage finishes live on eurosport.com or cyclingnews.com for text.
If you don't want to know, move to a cave.
|Thursday night OLN is pretty common for cycling fans||LC|
May 9, 2003 11:29 AM
|On the West Coast it comes on at 11pm, which is way past the Eastern time zone's bed time. Even though it is on at 4pm for the East coast prime time, the next showing is 11 pm which is the first chance I have to see it. Some people even tape it and then watch it on the weekend so even the next day in not reasonable. But really, the nice thing to do is to not put the results in the topic so at least we have a chance to avoid seeing the results.
It is not hard at all to avoid knowing the results since it is not like the mass media is going to cover it unless it is the TDF final stage.