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What is best training tool, besides more time on bike?(20 posts)

What is best training tool, besides more time on bike?Swat Dawg
May 5, 2003 7:50 AM
I am trying to lay out what will give me the best bang for my buck in making me go faster. I have a fine bike (5200), a trainer (minoura), and decent wheels (vector pros). I was thinking about getting a set of AM Classic 420's, but have decided that I should train the motor first and then use the wheels as a prize for upgrading. I know that the best thing is spending more time on the bike with good workouts, but besides that what is the best thing to make me faster. So things I have thought about, but don't know the benefit of: 1. A coach (expensive, hard to find) 2. Rollers (inexpensive, but it's summer) 3. Heart Rate Monitor (Can Afford, kinda confusing) 4. Power measuring device (Would need help in devising a program to maximizes its use) 5. Powercranks (semi-expensive, may be a fad). So that's 5 options none which I have any experience with, and all of which I have heard random things about. For those of you that know me, I'm a college student and don't have tons of money, but the money I do have goes into cycling. So ante up your $.02 and tell me what you think on the options above or on something I haven't listed. Think most benefit to cost. Thanks

Swat Dawg '04
hills, and a fixed gearJS Haiku Shop
May 5, 2003 7:54 AM
you could get 2 fixies for the price of a set of 420s.

of course, ride more--that's the way.

but, the single most beneficial thing i've done in the last year was riding fixed. saw drastic improvement in less than 2 weeks, no BS.

thanks MB1 for the enlightenment.

May 5, 2003 9:41 AM
In what part of your riding did you see improvements? And how did you train in the hills with the fixerellos (fixnagos? fixtespeeds?) Cadence maintenence, or knee-grinders, or what? And finally, what kind of hills we talkin' here, and what gear you running?

Thanks for entertaining me,

Questions...JS Haiku Shop
May 5, 2003 9:51 AM
In what part of your riding did you see improvements?

Every part, but mostly bike handling and strength. Difficult to specify, but know this: climbing hills I'd typically spin up with 39x29 or 42x32, i'm sprinting up in 42x14 (fixed). Really helped me get beyond those limitations in my head, and find (and improve upon) the limitations in my legs.

And how did you train in the hills with the fixerellos (fixnagos? fixtespeeds?) Cadence maintenence, or knee-grinders, or what?

JRA. Mostly grinders, but with the gear I'm pushing, quickly I learned that to get "bogged down" meant facing a 30/40 RPM climb, or possibly walking. This meant (means) to ride the hill, stay "on top of" the gear. Don't discount descending, either. That's sure a cadence-builder!

And finally, what kind of hills we talkin' here, and what gear you running?

One half to 1.5-mile rollers, nothing gaining more than a couple hundred feet, but good 'n plenty of 'em. I was running 42x16 freewheel. MB1 hooked me up with a 14t cog, so now it's 42x14 fixed b/w 42x16 free, though I don't foresee using the freewheel anytime soon.
Thanks for the replyamflyer
May 5, 2003 9:59 AM
I'm in the process of building my first SS (not quite a fixie yet)and plan on running a 42 X 14 as well. This should hold me over until I can build a proper fixed wheel.

Run a 42X16 SS.MB1
May 5, 2003 10:30 AM
A fixte needs a taller gear to get downhill than a SS does since you can coast on the SS. Running a 42X16 SS will force you to spin more on the flats which is a really good thing.

J ran a 42X18 for a long time on his SS, I believe that probably helped him learn how to ride much better than a harder gear would have.

Chip in here anytime J.....
42x18 was too low for group ridesJS Haiku Shop
May 5, 2003 10:34 AM
and much too low to get home on saturdays in time to catch the end of Baywatch. :)

42x16 (free) and i could ride with the recreational guys, and was putting in a decent distance ride on weekends.

42x14 fixed and i can get up & down hills without killing myself (mostly), and can keep up with the fast recreational rides--those that are ridden steady, without big jumps on hills and around corners.

What is your normal (unfixed) Cadence?Len J
May 5, 2003 11:15 AM
Since geqaring is a function of Cadence, I'd be interested in what both of You (MB1 & J) maintain as a normal Cadence. Mine is 95 to 105.

i'll have to count it and let you know. nmJS Haiku Shop
May 5, 2003 11:18 AM
May 5, 2003 11:52 AM
Since I am going the freehub-conversion route (a la spacers and old cassette gears) I guess I can try just about anything. I guess I had in the back of my mind that I wanted to keep up with the geared bikes, but maybe that is not the best way to look at this project.

Thanks for the input though, gives me something to ponder.

re: What is best training tool, besides more time on bike?mainframe
May 5, 2003 8:08 AM
All-out intensity intervals. Vary the time and number of repeats. When ridden at max effort, they are a severe test of anyone's will to improve (get faster). Results assured. Good news is they're free :)!
Pain is the best trainerMR_GRUMPY
May 5, 2003 8:19 AM
Don't ride more, just make it hurt more. When you say that you want to get faster, what do you mean ? Do you mean that you want to have a higher top end in a sprint at the end of a crit ? Do you want to get faster for time trials ? or do you want to be able to ride a Century faster ? You need to do different things to get different results.
re: What is best training tool, besides more time on bike?tigermilk
May 5, 2003 8:53 AM
My vote goes for #4. Just going out and doing intervals may or may not make you faster. What good is an interval if you're whipped and can't generate the intended power range? You may feel like you are getting there, but without something to keep you honest, you won't know for sure. Started with a Computrainer and now have a Powertap. Two best purchases I've made.
May 5, 2003 9:02 AM
"perceived effort" should be called "deceived effort"- nothing like something a bit more objective
A training partner.dzrider
May 5, 2003 9:15 AM
Gets you out there on the hard days, keeps you from loafing, provides a little competition, makes time go by faster and doesn't cost much.
racing nmDougSloan
May 5, 2003 9:29 AM
racing..........I agree Douglanterne rouge
May 5, 2003 11:33 AM
No matter how hard you think you may push yourself when your out training, you can't simulate a good old fashioned race. There is nothing like coughing up a lung at a good road race (California Masters State Championships at San Luis Rey this last weekend for example) or really fast crit to let you know that you don't train nearly as hard as you need to.
Headwinds and angry Dogs nmJohnniO
May 5, 2003 10:45 AM
bang for your buck = fixed gearclimbo
May 5, 2003 11:04 AM
no amount of HRM's, Power Taps etc. will make you faster unless you do the workouts needed. A fixed gear might help you depending on what level you are at now. Cheapest option is to train more, but, where are you at now, are you training against a plan or just riding?? How much do you train etc.
I'm on track with what some have mentioned... will add fixieSwat Dawg
May 5, 2003 4:18 PM
Thanks for all the replies. I am racing a lot, and training a lot. I could definitely use a relatively equal training partner to push me, but I have had a hard time linking up with a club and finding other riders. I think some of the eletronics will wait for a little while and maybe will be purchases that are again rewards for performance. There is a dog on my route, but it is inside a fence, but he sure chases me along the fence (Big a** German Sheperd, Hope he NEVER gets loose). That would make me go faster and probably hurt if the dog caught me. lol I think the most cost effective thing for me to do right now would be to go the way of the fixie. I think I'll go with a Surly CrossCheck in Black with a flip-flop hub. I work at a shop so get it at cost. Only way this college student can support his habit. Thanks for your help. Look for pics of the fix.

Swat Dawg '04