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Lugged Steel Frame Options (long)Dorf411
May 3, 2003 8:00 PM
I am currently riding a 10+ year old Greg Lemond 63cm lugged steel frame that I love and I want to get something new that is similar. I have my eyes on some various lugged steel frames but it seems that the options are very limited. I was wondering if anyone knows of some other sources in the states besides GVH, Colorado Cyclist, and Bultek. I am most interested in the Tommasini Sintesi or Tecno because it is very stylish without getting outrageous like Colnago. Considering the following and looking for feedback.

Tommasini Tecno 63CM w/59cm top tube
Tommasini Sintesi (same)
*I really like this size with a shorter top tube

Cinelli Super Corsa 64CM w/61cm top tube
*This one is great for my long legs but my Lemond w/61cm top tube seems a little long but workable.

Colnago Classic (don't care much for their paint schemes)

DeBernardi: Are these any good? Their sizing seems to be just what I am looking for.

Anyway Colorado Cyclist has some Tommasini Tecno's but not in 63 yet and it is a color that I don't prefer but maybe could learn to like. Anyone know where else to find this bike in the states? I like the Cinelli Super Corsa but they seem to be a little bland and I would like something a little more flashy.

About the frames, does the Cinelli have oversized tubes like the Tommasini does? Anything else I should look at for a classic steel frame? Might just have to get a Super Corsa from GVH with some Campy. Thanks for the help.

John
re: Lugged Steel Frame Options (long)Leroy
May 3, 2003 8:39 PM
Gios compact pro at excel sports, and Hampsten makes a lugged steel frame, too.
re: Lugged Steel Frame Options (long)jwarrenod
May 3, 2003 9:08 PM
Waterford makes some pretty nice lugged frames.

JW
re: Lugged Steel Frame Options (long)gtx
May 3, 2003 11:04 PM
This guy was brought up in a thread below. Might consider getting one of his frames now before he starts jacking up his prices or quits building.

http://www.vanillabicycles.com
or (God forbid) Trek will buy him out!....Spunout
May 4, 2003 2:56 AM
Okay, good picks on the lugged frames.

One advantage with a Cinelli over the Lemond is the head tube height, Lemond is seriously short. YOu can move up a size or two in other bikes compared to a Lemond. I ride a 55 Lemond, but would buy a 57 Cinelli or Colnago. Because of the different seat angles, the shorter top tube is necessary and won't affect fit that much.

The Supercorsa is not plain, ask Dave Hickey! Not liking Landshark? The Casati Laser is also a very nice fillet-brazed frame in EOM 16.5; a very nice steel tubeset.
ditto on Vanillabig fred
May 4, 2003 12:47 PM
Sacha is a prince of a guy and really puts love, skill and thought into his builds.
re: Lugged Steel Frame Options (long)ukiahb
May 4, 2003 5:05 AM
I bought a 61cm Sintesi last year based on the many positive comments here and love it, but don't know about alternate sources for Tommasini's. However, if you do buy from CC, I'd get the frame only...I bought a complete Chorus equipped bike, had a minor warranty problem (a creaky cassette), and was basically told to *@$&^% off by their head of customer service. Fortunately all I needed was a new $25 cogset (which I got from Branford) but if the problem had been something more serious/expensive.........
BTW, have you looked at Cinelli frames??
Some thoughtsNessism
May 4, 2003 7:25 AM
Given your large frame size, I strongly suggest a frame using oversize tubing. This rules out the Sintesi and Super Corsa which use "standard" size tubes as far as I know. The other frames you mentioned, including the Tommasini Tecno, use oversize tubing which should make for a stiffer frame.

My vote goes out to the Tecno or Classic. Just focus on the best fit. Style is important, but not as important as the fit.

Good luck.

Ed
Some thoughtsDorf411
May 4, 2003 8:28 AM
Thanks for all the feedback so far. Yes the Landshark and Viner just don't do it for me and don't recall seeing a Casati frame. I like the clarification that the Tecno uses oversize tubing and the Sintesi and Super Corsa does not which may make this a bit easier.

To get into oversized tubing should I be looking more at tig welded/fillet brazed frames similar to the Land Shark? So is it safe to assume that the Sintesi and Super Corsa will have tubes of the same or near same diameter as my 10 year old Lemond lugged steel frame?

John
More infoNessism
May 4, 2003 12:34 PM
Within the lugged framebuilding community, "Oversize" means 1-1/8" top and seat tube and 1-1/4" down tube. This is a bit of a misnomer since "oversize" tubing is almost the norm these days, even for lugged builders. My guess is that your Lemond does use "standard" sized tubes, 1" top tube and 1-1/8" seat and down tube, which as you suspected, is the same as the Sintesi and Super Corsa.

There are a few tubesets that have both standard sized tubes and OS tubes, but for the most part, they are usually either or. Regarding Casati, they make a fine lugged frame. R&A Cycles have a few leftovers you might want to check them out. http://www.racycles.com/catalog/casati_ellisse_o_s_1665456.htm

Good luck.

Ed
Do a search on F. Moser or Pegoretti...Lone Gunman
May 4, 2003 4:24 PM
Nice steel frames.
Pegorettis are Tigges though aren't they? (nm)ColnagoFE
May 5, 2003 7:32 AM
Pegorettis are Tigged though aren't they? (nm)ColnagoFE
May 5, 2003 7:33 AM
A few more to considerTrent in WA
May 4, 2003 8:38 AM
The Heron Road is a lovely, quick road bike, made in the USA by Waterford, that you might look at, along with the Rivendell Rambouillet. They lack the Euro-cachet that some of the bikes that you're looking at do, but folks I know who have them swear they're some of the quickest, most comfortable bikes they've ever ridden. They're both lugged frames made with at least slightly oversized tubing, and are v. gorgeous to boot.

Trent
re: Lugged Steel Frame Options (long)Heron Todd
May 4, 2003 9:33 AM
Your choices in good, lugged steel frames are getting smaller. There are some US builders, as mentioned already, like Waterford, Serotta, Rivendell (including their Japanese-built Rambouillet and Atlantis), and Heron. If you are willing to spend a little more, there are a number of excellent custom builders around who can build you a great frame (Sachs, Weigle, Bayliss, etc.). If you'd like something European, I'd really suggest Torelli (even though they are a US company) since their Italian-built frames are quite good and better than many of the big names.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
http://www.heronbicycles.com
re: Lugged Steel Frame Options (long)brian n
May 4, 2003 10:58 AM
I have a 61cm DeBernardi thron OS. I bought it since I'm a grad student on a budget instead of going all out on the frame, figuring I'd be replacing it in a few years once i had a real job. I have to say i've been pretty impressed with the bike overall, it is much stiffer than the Specialized Allez comp (steel frame) which it replaced. It is a bit heavier, but the tubing is oversized and FULLY chromed beneath the paint. There are a bunch of nice little things tht you don't normally get on a bike in teh price range, namely all the chrome (chain and seat stays, full chrome fork) and painted lettering instead of decals. The finish work was top notch, although some owners have complained of paint flaking I haven't had that happen in the 3 years I've had it so far.

One of the nicest things is the semi-horizontal dropouts, this allows me to change the wheelbase by about 20 mm. This doesn't sound like much, but it ireally does have an effect. I'll back off the real wheel for longer rides and move it forward for quicker handling in criteriums.

As much as I'd like to buy a new bike for all the fun and excitement that comes with buying a new bike, there really is no reason as my DeBernardi is a solid ride.

-Brian
re: Lugged Steel Frame Options (long)Dorf411
May 5, 2003 11:39 AM
Saw some of these at High Caliper Bicycle for (DeBernardi Thron O/S :$464.99), anyone ever heard of this outfit? They don't even list an address but have a huge selection of available bikes at great prices.

John
Order what you really want...C-40
May 4, 2003 1:27 PM
Unless you're in a big hurry, contact Colorado Cyclist and see if they can order the Tommasini that you want. Can't beat the Tommasini for classic good looks.

Check out their website at www.tommasini.com.
Lugged Steel FramesMR_GRUMPY
May 4, 2003 3:18 PM
A few things to look for. 1) Try to go with a modern steel like Reynolds 853, True Temper OX Platinum, or a few others. 2) Unless you plan to take it easy riding the bike, I would advise going with an oversized tubeset. I'm not sure if anyone makes lugs for a 1 1/4 top tube, or if that is something only available in a tig welded frame. Anyway, go for a minimum 1 1/8 top tube, and see if you can get a 1 1/4 downtube.
If you were 150 pounds and rode a 55 cm frame you could get away with a "classic" frame with a 1" top tube, and made from steel made with 10 year old technology.
Lugged Steel FramesDorf411
May 5, 2003 11:46 AM
Have actually been riding the standard tube set for past 10 years 1" Top Tube, 1 1/8" Down and Seat Tubes. Seems okay to me but maybe if I had something different I would say otherwise. I do note it has a little or maybe lot of head tube wobble at higher speeds if you take both hands off the bars.

John
One and only one - Merckx MXLuraqt
May 4, 2003 9:11 PM
Everyone is BS you... the last and only one to buy is the Merckx MX Leader. Beg or steal one. Cbike might still have one, might find one on ebay or bikesport in FL. Sell the wife and kids. Eddie stopped making this bike last year, but you might pick one up. ALL the frames everyone talked about are to soft. The only issue with is set tube is set back more thank than mose bike for 100 + ride.
WE HAVE A WINNER!Spoiler
May 4, 2003 11:48 PM
Unfortunately, uraqt's post wasn't it. But thanks for playing.
what's your weight and height?ColnagoFE
May 5, 2003 7:31 AM
Colnago makes some less garish paint schemes. The classic is OK, but if you are above 165 lbs take a long look at the Master XL. Chrome lugs, fluted tubes, stiff as heck...
My weight and height 6'3", 200#Dorf411
May 5, 2003 11:30 AM
Weight: 195-205 LBS
Height: 6'3" (mostly legs)