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was I wrong....... group ride ?(21 posts)

was I wrong....... group ride ?african
May 2, 2003 10:55 AM
In a group ride yesterday I went to the front and was pulling at about 27-28 mph there were about 30 riders. I got a bit tired so I gave a flick of the right arm and pulled slightly off to the left. The guy behind me went "aaaa" and told me to pull off to the right, (I think he either thought I was pulling off to the right, or/and he had passed my rear wheel) I pulled off to the right and went back about 4 riders. I pulled next to him later and said I was sorry. He did not say much. So now was I wrong in any way, is there something here I can learn from??
It depends,TJeanloz
May 2, 2003 11:08 AM
I'd say that after the flick of the arm, you need to give some time for people to adjust themselves. I've seen a lot of scenarios where the flick comes simultaneous to a dramatic "pull off", causing a relatively dangerous situation, particularly if there's a crosswind. If you're not familiar with the group, a verbal cue, like "Pulling off" is probably in order. I can't think of many situations where pulling off to the right [in a single paceline] is the normal situation.
re: was I wrong....... group ride ?climbo
May 2, 2003 11:11 AM
that depends, was the paceline pulling off to the right before you hit the front? Sometimes it goes right to protect from the wind but usually it goes left so that most of the paceline stays to the right hand side of the road where it is safer. That being said, if he had overlapped wheels with you, he should have been more careful also.

If anything, he should be decent enough to explain himself to you if he thought it was dangerous.
There was no crosswind.....african
May 2, 2003 11:19 AM
there was a bit of a tail wind. We had just pulled off from a traffic light and I went to the front right away and pulled the ride up to 27-28 and held it for about 200 meters.
Not cool!AaronL
May 2, 2003 3:55 PM
It sounds to me like you did a classic rookie move which is to get to the front, (especially if it was from a complete stop) blast off, screwing up the paceline, pull your guts out for only 200 meters (that's not really a pull) and then blow off the front.

You have to think "smooth." Go to the front, and maintain the pace that the guy in front was at. If you want to show off, SLOWLY throttle it up and build the speed gradually, or take longer pulls. Don't just sprint off from a complete stop, it really screws up the guys/gals in the back. The accordian effect you know. People really hate that.

I would have been pissed at you too.
Seems like a Good Pull to MeDoc Hollywood
May 2, 2003 4:36 PM
Not really a pull?

200 m/1600 m/mile=1/8 mile

at 28 mph (max) a mile is covered in 128 seconds so 1/8 mile is done in roughly 16 seconds. That's assuming the guy got up to speed and then pulled another 200 m, so the time is even longer. He says they were at a stoplight, he got up to speed then pulled for 200 m. Pretty reasonable to me.

When we do our training rides, we do a double paceline where traffic permits. When we do, I'm up front no more than 10 seconds before I am back in the drafting position. 15 seconds at 28 mph is good effort.

Now if the guy just shot off the stoplight line and went for 200 meters from a standing stop, basically doing all sprint for 200 meters getting up to 28 then pulling off, then you are right.

Doc
assume=ass+u+me nmthe bull
May 2, 2003 6:19 PM
well..african
May 2, 2003 7:00 PM
that is not really how it happend but if it did then you are right. I went to the front shortly after the light and pulled the ride up to 27 plus, held it steady for 200 or so yards and then made my motion to get off the front, I could have stayed in front longer but I wanted others to pull through and do the work too.
ahha!the bull
May 2, 2003 7:11 PM
How shortly after the light!Was the group even through the intersection.Dont tell me you Pulled a "Foggie"!
I think I agree here. I don't think which side you .....Live Steam
May 3, 2003 3:25 PM
pulled off to was the issue. The rabbit start and then not maintaining the pace for a longer period of time was the issue. I don't think etiquette comes into play as much as machismo does. I sounds like he wasn't impressed with your ability to stay up front at that speed - especially with a tail wind :O) Hey I don't want someone up front that is struggling (not saying you were) because it is not safe. I would rather have them sit in. I have no problem with that and don't understand why others do. Many factors are at play - the newcomers cycling skills, strength, smarts or lack there of and comfort level in being in a new group. It's dumb that someone thinks that they and others are doing all of the work while some are catching a free ride. Hey those that do the work are stronger for it :O)
re: was I wrong....... group ride ?russw19
May 2, 2003 12:45 PM
I personally pull off to the right if no wind conditions dictate otherwise... especially in a group that large... it keeps the pack, which is way more visable to a car, in traffic and the single rider who is slowing down off to the right out of the traffic lane.

But that's just my preference in a group that big.

Russ
re: was I wrong....... group ride ?climbo
May 2, 2003 12:53 PM
that's if there is enough shoulder to do so. If not, you might have to go to the left unless the whole pack rides closer to the traffic. Also, in a very large group there is more than 1 rider coming back after the peel off because the line is so long.
Nothing I would worry about!the bull
May 2, 2003 11:13 AM
Unless there is a orginized pace line who cares!Sometimes it is good to pull of the same direction as the guy di that was in front of you.I like to pull off to the left I feel it gives me more room.I dont like to be on the edge of the road as a group is coming around me.The thing not is worry about paceline nazi's!
I always noticed the people yelling out where to go are usually the wheelsuckers or newbee's!
re: was I wrong....... group ride ?Klein_man
May 2, 2003 11:16 AM
Always point or flick to the side you plan to move to (flick with your left arm/hand to move left, right to move right), that way everyone around you knows what is going on. If I saw you flick your right arm flick, I would assume you were pulling off to the right.
re: was I wrong....... group ride ?Will Ross
May 2, 2003 11:22 AM
I was taught just the opposite: You flick your elbow on the side where you want the person behind you to come through. So if I saw a right arm flick, I'd assume the person in front of me was pulling off to the left.
Quick flick!the bull
May 2, 2003 11:43 AM
Is that the bird.Seriously a quick flick on the right could mean anything!Pothole - buger stuck to finger- whatever!
The safest thing to do is as you are slowing down drift slowly to the egde you want to fall back on.
re: was I wrong....... group ride ?raboboy
May 2, 2003 11:31 AM
he's a whiny b@tch. You may have done something that the group isn't used to, but if he isn't going to tell you, then f%ck him.
Thanks for all input.....african
May 2, 2003 12:01 PM
thanks, I just want to be safe out there and not pee off the local guys on our rides. I also don't want to be just another guy on the ride that hangs in there in the middle or the back. I want to go to the front and take a pull and do some work and blow up rather than sitting in.
Real Men would pull for the Whole Ride....Doc Hollywood
May 2, 2003 12:50 PM
Just Bustin'.

I could see where he could confused, but your actions seem okay to me. I usually follow what the guy before me did.

Some guys I know, do a quick acceleration, pull off to the left while waving the right hand/elbow flick to signal pull through. The quick acceleration gets them clear of the drafters front wheel if there was an overlap.

I have never seen someone flick a right elbow and then pull of to the right.

I think the guy who said something to you has a hair across his hiney. Forgaddaboudit.

Doc
I think you were right.... but,Mariowannabe
May 2, 2003 1:33 PM
the other guy may have thought your handsignal meant that you were moving to the right. Where I ride, we if we want someone to take over the lead, we move over and give a flick on the side we want them to pass on.

I know that if I'm going right for what ever reason - flat tire, gonna hurl, saw a penny in the road - I'll make a very clear hand-signal that won't be mistaken for "come on through".

Maybe we need an "international code of handsignals". Nah, that would take all the fun out of guessing......

Live to ride, ride to live.
You just encountered....filtersweep
May 3, 2003 6:47 AM
you just encountered a "pull Nazi"- who expects everyone to read his mind- who has a set of rules written in stone that only HE knows about.

I might prefer to pull off to the left if there were a curb, for example, so I didn't get pinched. I don't think there is any ONE way to do this in all circumstances, unless there is the inevitable (damnable) overlapping of wheels in a crosswind echelon where you should pull off into the wind.