Apr 30, 2003 12:47 PM
|Qestion, I mostly ride flat open roads. I am happy with my Ksyriums, but wat thinking of buyins a set of Cosmic Carbones.
Tried out my friends Fir Antaras and I must say you can notice some difference between the wheels. However, this lead to the oldes cyclists question, is it worth the dough.
Apr 30, 2003 1:57 PM
|If you have the Ksyriums SLs I doubt it would be worth the money- The Carbones basically have a carbon fairing bonded to an aluminum rim- the fairing is only designed to be more aerodynamic. If it were me, I'd stick with the Ks (what I ride, BTW). If you really want something more aero, for TTs or tris, you might as well go all the way and get something a bit more extreme.
Hey, you are not alone... I sometimes contemplate a set of Zipps- but I really don't think I need a fussier set of wheels when the set I have is just fine.
|re: Cosmic Carbon||kanekikapu|
Apr 30, 2003 2:13 PM
|since i am not sure how much you're paying for the cosmic carbone SSC, i assume you pay the normal retail price ($1,000) at this point where you have quite some dough, i recommend HED alps. you could get 'em around 799-899 and they have a better construction than the mavic counterparts... i am not saying that the mavic are bad. they are not when you see many euro pros are riding it. but since their introduction( a few years back) they haven't change much while the concept of aerodynamic had been further refine over these couple years and better, cheaper model are made as the result of these R&D's... the HED are solid and if you are willing to pay more, consider the aero wheels made by LEW compisite, Zipp (be careful on the older version cuz they are flexy, cane creek, and AMclassic... the best bet, in my opinion, are the HED ALPS (2002-2003 version) . thanks for reading and i hope it helps|
|Only you decide how to spend you money!||the bull|
Apr 30, 2003 2:18 PM
|There is a differance!They are heavier and slow to roll up but once you get moving you can really feel the way they are cutting through the wind!They are also alot stronger and hold up alot better than Zipps.But they are heavy!|
|Having owned them take it from experience||CARBON110|
Apr 30, 2003 2:32 PM
|I put about 3K miles on a pair of Carbones. Here's what I think after owning ALOT of aero wheels. They are heavy and durable,stiff and CHEAP and HARSH. The plastic, cause thats what it is, is easy to crack. They weigh about 600grams more then an average "light wheelset". they are fairly east to weild in wind. However, there are much better wheels out there. In rain unlike Zipps, they accumalate water badly and you end up pushing an extra pound of water in the plastic part of the rim. Again the Carbone stuff cracks from rocks thrown by cars or group rides. I think they are great training wheels cause they weigh over 2000grams..other then that I would never use them in a race. Go with 2003 Zipps, so much smoother a ride or Hed ALps as mentioned above. Aero wheels save you 10% more energy in a race let alone riding by yourself. They look cool and are alot of fun to ride if you buy a good set.
Good Clincher Aero wheels:
Hed Alps 52mm deep
Zipps 38mm and 58mm deep..... Most aero wheel produced
Spinergy Tilium 48mm?
Cane Creek 58mm
Fir Anatara wheels and Ambrosio wheels are hard to replace as are Mavics
|why would anyone?||DougSloan|
Apr 30, 2003 2:32 PM
|These wheels are about 5 years behind the times. With lots of other choices that are a good pound lighter, just as aero, better built, same or lower cost, and did I mention lighter(?), I can't see why anyone would buy them. That is, unless you have a really, really choppy pedaling style and feel you need some flywheels to maintain your speed better.
Zipp 404's would be my choice.
|Rear hubs!||the bull|
Apr 30, 2003 5:13 PM
|How are the ones on your Zipps holding up?|
|why would anyone?||russw19|
Apr 30, 2003 6:25 PM
|Doug, to answer your question of why would anyone... it's as simple as marketing. Marketing often does the thinking for the average person. I hate to say it, but it's true. Also when Mario Cippolini rolls up to the start line and proceeds to win races on them... well, why would someone go out and buy these wheels? A lot of people actually think that the only thing that makes Mario so damn fast is that he rides better stuff than you and I. The truth is my bike is probably nicer than Mario's because I don't have sponsor considerations tying me a particular part, but he's way faster than I have even been or will ever be.
But keep those factors in mind when you ask why anyone would ride stuff you and I would scoff at.
|Gotta agree...||Dwayne Barry|
May 1, 2003 4:09 AM
|I have a 5 or 6-year old pair of these, that I still use as my aero wheels for flat races or TT's. To echo what others have said, they are noticeably faster once you get going, very stiff, heavy as hell, etc. Although I've had no problems with the plastic fairing cracking.
But why would any "informed" consumer buy these nowadays, you can get better (i.e. lighter and probably more durable) and possibly a little more aero (Is the Zipp 404 rim deeper than the carbones?) for the same money?
When I get some disposable income, I'll probably get a set of the Zipp 404's. As light as almost any "light wheel" and as aero as any "aero wheel".
May 2, 2003 12:13 PM
|for the advice. It's good forums like these exist to point me in the right direction. I had my doubt toward Cosmic's, I thin I'll just leave it with the Ks for this year.