|Have you paid for a fitting system/session/service?||flyweight|
Apr 29, 2003 12:58 PM
|Trying to get feedback from people who have used or been fitted with any of the more common fitting systems such as BioRacer, FitKit, WobbleNaught, etc. or paid someone for a fitting session.
If so, I'd like to know the following:
1) What system did you use?
2) Did the service improve your cycling and if so, how? (faster, more comfortable, elimination of pain, etc)
3) Do you feel it was money well spent?
Our shop is in the process of possibly selecting a new fitting system and we'd like to see what other riders have been happy or unhappy with. Thanks.
|re: Have you paid for a fitting system/session/service?||eschelon|
Apr 29, 2003 1:02 PM
|Out of all the times I have ever bought a bike...only one shop has ever done a fit kit test on me and it has definitely been for the best because my bike actually fits me...all of the other times they just kinda looked at me and said "you look like a 16" frame bike guy."....sheesh.|
|3 little anecdotes and a summary||dzrider|
Apr 29, 2003 1:45 PM
|The first experience was getting fitted for a custom tandem. The builder was rather more an artist than a scientist in his approach. From this experience I learned a little more about what I like in bike fit and how to duplicate it. It didn't greatly change the position I rode in just improved it a little and kind of codified it.
My wife (also the stoker) paid for another fitting some years later when she had a frame repainted. She found the changes very helpful, especially a shorter stem and lower placement of it. I believe they used a Fit Kit, but can't be sure because it was important that I stay home and out of the process.
I went with my best friend to a shop for an official "Fit Kit" session. They took all kinds of measurements and then tried to get a bike that was the wrong size to fit the measurements they had taken. I thought this was kind of slippery, but my friend was most impressed until I pointed out what was happening. He kind of laughed at himself, bought a bike elsewhere that actually works with the measurements they took and has been riding happily everafter.
My summary is that a device for fitting people does no harm and some people are comforted by stuff that looks like science. If I were selling high priced bikes I would see it as a necessary sales tool.
|Sort of . . .||dtufts|
Apr 29, 2003 2:23 PM
|I recently purchased an expensive (for me) bike after a long time away from the sport. So I was very concerned about getting something that fits right. I went to all of the LBSs, and some gave wildly varying advice. What's a newbie to do?
I went with a LBS that has a licensed physical therapist who does a fitting session. It's not one of the systems, per se, but his own take on KOPS, joint angles, etc. Normally a $40 charge, but for me included with the purchase of a bike. That was definitely the right thing to do. Very reassuring and helped me to find a fit that I turned out to be very comfortable. Without this service I definetely would have gone to a different shop (one close to my home).
BTW, I chatted it up with the PT and he told me the LBS gives him a credit for each fitting. He told me that's how he "supports his passion," and how he got his Pinarello Prince.
|Currently in the process||trout_bum|
Apr 29, 2003 6:43 PM
|of getting fitted for a new frame. I am gettting fitted by Conrads of NYC-their approach seems thorough and precise.
1) Fit Kit (Which btw gave me very similar results as the various online fit calculators-i,e, Wrench Science, Colorado Cyclist. The only difference is the top tube/stem length-Fit Kit sizing suggested a 1cm longer stem.
2) Evalutate frame geometries to see what works best for me-also taking into account material, price range, riding style etc. as well as my current bikes geometry. I had a particular frame in mind already and the Fit Kit numbers matched a size 55 perfectly.
3) I haven't done this step yet-but the dealer said the next step is to put me on the Size cycle to make sure all the numbers feel right, stem length. saddle ht etc. AND THEN he will order frame.
The cost $75.00-deducted from price of frame when purchased.
I 'm liking all the attention to detail so far, and expect my new bike will fit like a glove.
|re: Have you paid for a fitting system/session/service?||tarwheel|
Apr 30, 2003 4:21 AM
|I paid $75 for a Serotta fitting two years ago. Mostly it confirmed what I suspected from my own riding -- that is, I needed a frame with a shorter top tube and less drop from my saddle to handlebar. However, I balked at ordering a $1500+ Serotta frame and instead ordered a complete Gios with Chorus for about $1900, with dimensions (56x55) close to the Serotta recommendations. In retrospect, I am glad I didn't order a Serotta because they had recommended an extremely short top tube that I now know would have been too short. Being such an odd size (56x54), it probably would have been difficult to sell. My main fit problem resulted from riding with my bars too low. Raising the bars shortened my reach and solved the problem I was having with hand numbness. |
Last winter, I bought a Merckx frame from Cycles Bikyle, which has their own fitting procedure. They recommended a larger size than I had been riding (57x57). The fitting service was free. The frame fits me great, and I've since put a longer stem on the Gios to duplicate the fit on the Merckx.
I think fittings are great for people who are new to cycling or have a particular fit problem, such as neck pain or hand numbness. However, once you have ridden a while, you figure out what sizes and geometries work best for you. It takes a lot of miles and experimentation to reach that point, though.
Apr 30, 2003 7:04 AM
|Once with the Fit Kit system with all the measurements.
Another one with the Serotta Size Cycle
Money well spent? Well, use the stuff as a guide. Remember that the fitter isn't always correct. Measurements can be taken incorrectly, so measure at least twice. Also, remember that the stuff is just a guide.
I think the best way to get a good fit is to continue to ride and fine tune the position. I have learned more by riding and reading about bike fit than I ever have from hanging around a bike store.
Once you have it dialed in, you can compare your current setup with whatever new frame you want.
Apr 30, 2003 8:29 AM
|Thanks for the replies. Our shop has been using the plumbline and Mk 1 eyeball system for years without complaint. We're looking into acquiring a name brand "system" mainly to reassure customers that we do in fact know what we're talking about and to give them more peace of mind when plunking down $1500+ for a frame. From your posts it sounds like the FitKit has the best name recognition. I've personally tried all the different systems and like many of you found they simply confirmed what I already new.|
Apr 30, 2003 9:09 AM
|I think that fit kits and other similar services are helpful in particular to newer cyclists.
I once paid some crusty old road bike store owner, somewhat famous as a fit guru, to fit me. He took a bunch of measurements with these old tools. He watched me ride. And he confirmed what I already knew -- my fit and position on the bike was fine, except that I needed a slightly shorter top tube. It was helpful in that it gave me confidence that my instincts as to my own personal fit were correct.
Apr 30, 2003 12:06 PM
|The shop where I bought my LOOK did BioRacer. It is thorough and I have a copy. I could now buy a frame w/o a new kit. We were able to pick between a 59 and 61 which both were close; the stem for the 61 would have been 80 versus the 110 on the 59 frame. My choice here. The $125 came off the purchase of the frame, so it essentially cost me nothing.
I wish it were instantaneous printout in the shop rather then sending dimensions to Sweeden and having a hardcopy the next day.
The suggestions are much smaller and more compact than I used to ride on the old bike. I bumped up the seat post 1cm to alleviate some glue pain and add in some hamstring pull.
I would do this once in a lifetime and save the results if I liked them.