|Lance's Trek- all custom or what?!||alansutton|
Apr 28, 2003 10:06 AM
|At the start of the Sunday morning group ride I overheard a rider mention that Lance rides the exact off-the-shelf Trek frame that one can purchase from a bike shop. Someone else said "No, Lance's bikes are all custom". Then a friendly group argument ensued for quite a while. But I have to agree that his bikes are custom made- not "off-the-shelf" designs that anyone can purchse. Often, he gets to ride designs a year before they are offered to the public. What are your thoughts on this?|
|check cyclingnews for lots of answers||No_sprint|
Apr 28, 2003 10:10 AM
|He's on an all new OCLV that was debuted at LBL I believe. Furthermore, I understand he is on stock sizes and the same bikes are indeed available to all of us once marketed. He is riding DA 10 speed currently. I don't know any other rider using that right now.|
|doesnt look like oclv ...||Jas0n|
Apr 28, 2003 5:34 PM
|the junction of the top tube/down tube isnt as large as it is on all other ocvl's like the 5500, 9.8, etc ... i heard rumors it was ti, but im not sure about that. check his website, there is a pic of the stays with a oclv sticker, but i dont know if they can manipulate ovlc that way. looks weird, but pretty cool. def. intersting to see what material it is. if it is oclv, the way they join the tubes seems to have changed a bit. i guess well see in sept. at interbike.|
Apr 28, 2003 10:12 AM
|Almost all of Armstrong's OCLV's are stock geometry. The manufacturing process makes it prohibitively expensive to change the molds that are used to make the lugs. A few years ago I had the opportunity to measure one of his bikes, and it was precisely stock geometry. There is a group of conspiricy theorists who claim that while the geometry is stock, he gets special one-off carbon tubes. This is possible. I'm not sure what the advantage would be, but it is possible. Furthermore, I bet that the bike that he is currently riding is probably already in production at Trek - for introduction after the TdF, and they want to make sure they have good stock in all sizes before they introduce it.|
|re: Lance's Trek- all custom or what?!||wilki5|
Apr 28, 2003 10:16 AM
|My understanding is that his bikes are indeed 'stock' eventually. There may be some small modifications but even the time trial bikes from last year's tour were made available in a limited number run to the public. That is if you had $4,400. But as stated in the last post he gets these new products well in advance of any other rider let alone the public. So for the short term he's riding a custom bike (since he helps design them) until Trek figures out if they can make some money by selling them to the public.|
|seat tube cutout...||weiwentg|
Apr 28, 2003 10:32 AM
|that doesn't look like it's fairing the rear wheel as close as is optimum for aerodynamics. then again, what do I know........|
Apr 28, 2003 10:57 AM
|The design reminds me of my 2001 Litespeed Ultimate, even though I don't want to admit it. See top tube and seattube. The seatstays are Coppi. Downtube is negative DoRosa King. Mm... Maybe I will find it cool looking when lance wins anther tour.|
|yeah, I agree too.||rrjc5488|
Apr 28, 2003 12:48 PM
|Yeah, it doesnt look too aero, but they probably tested it in the wind tunnel with john cobb. They probably decided on the best aero to weight ratio. Thats what i would do, not sure if they actualy did that...|
|You need to distinguish Early from Different, dude. nm||elviento|
Apr 28, 2003 10:45 AM
|Read his book||juanteal|
Apr 28, 2003 11:45 AM
|Ok, except for all the new DA and this LBL frame, he allegedly rides off-the-shelf Treks.
There's a story in his book about how Trek made him a custom frame back around '99. Lance didn't like it, so he gave it to a teammate and went back to riding his stock Trek. I wish I could remember the details, but I believe the custom bike was a different color and one of the other Posties ended up riding that bike in the Tour that year. So, if you can believe that story, you'll know he rides the same bike as all the other donkeys tooling around the world.
Component exceptions exist, but are minor. For example, US Postal has a Deda contract, whereas all the bars and stems on OCLV bikes at my LBS are stocked with Bontrager bars/stems.
His TT bike may be a whole other story though... I'm not too sure on that one.
Apr 28, 2003 11:59 AM
|That was a stock bike too. It was when Trek went from carbon 150 to carbon 120. It was white, and the same thing they used in 2000 (2001 model).|
Apr 28, 2003 12:00 PM
|In the 2000 Tour, Trek had an "OCLV 120" frame for him and a couple of the climbers on the team, but they weren't prepared until literally days before the TdF. Armstrong rode it around the block, and decided to stick with the bike he was used to. Kevin Livingston tried the cast-off frame, liked it, and rode it that year. The most obvious difference is the paint scheme - on the new bike, it uses the 2001 paint scheme (white with blue decals, instead of blue with white decals) a year early. Again, this wasn't a custom bike so much as a pre-production frame.|
Apr 28, 2003 2:19 PM
|The new Trek OCLV will be available in Sept 2003.
Lance has never ridden a bike in the Tour that wasnt available a few months later. Lance did get shimano 10spd a year early and is the only one using it right now outside of Shimano. There will be another new frame in addition to the abov to be released this year. Lance is the ultimate cycling marketer. His TT bike isnt different from a normal TT OCLV. I'm pretty sure the new bike above is OCLV 110
Trek OCLV TDFs
1999 oclv 150
2000 oclv 120 and 110 in Mtns
Hope this helps
Apr 28, 2003 2:34 PM
|I'm having a hard time mentally reconciling model years with TdF years. He rode the 120 for the first time in 2000. Kevin Livingston rode it in 1999.|
Apr 28, 2003 3:12 PM
|So you're confiming what I said. I can't go to the store and buy the bike Lance rode yesterday. It's not available to the public- yet. That's all I needed to know.
|Allan, just because you cannot buy it today||Lazywriter|
Apr 28, 2003 3:40 PM
|doesn't make the bike custom. Pros always "test" new equipment first. Lance rides stock frame geometry. Period. You will be able to ride this bike within a few months.|
Apr 28, 2003 4:08 PM
|You are on the right track in that 10sp dura ace is very limited at the moment, but I know for a fact that Casagrande used it in Liege too. Look at his bike - you can see him in the Liege pics on Graham Watson's site.|
|Why not just ride the 110 in all stages?||dtufts|
Apr 28, 2003 7:54 PM
Maybe you can answer this question I've always wondered about: Why not just use the 110 in the mountains and on the other days as well (except the TT, of course)? PS, I ride a 5200 and love it. Never tried the 5900 but I hear its a bit more effecient, whatever that means.
|just a marketing move||elviento|
Apr 28, 2003 8:53 PM
|Kinda like the extended warranty... limited production model, premium version of wine, etc.|
|Lance rode my new frame in 2001, Yipeeeeeee||Lazywriter|
Apr 28, 2003 3:37 PM
|Just got it today from UPS man, and I am a little shy to actually put this thing on the road. People think the Postal jersey is bad enough. Brand new in the box and glad I was able to get the white paint scheme. It was the one he rode in the documentary Road to Paris as well. Same frame he rides out of the bix except he gets them before everyone else. I will keep this one as a "museum" piece in my collection of Lance crap. Not bad for $995 plus I am swapping components off another bike to keep total bike cost down. I am upgrading to Dura Ace shifers, cassette, chain and bottom bracket which will save well over a 1/3 of a pound from the Ultegra stuff I have.|
|Nice and Congrads!||CARBON110|
Apr 28, 2003 4:02 PM
|Lance rode my new frame in 2001, Yipeeeeeee||Franchise|
Apr 28, 2003 4:46 PM
|Where did you find this frameset? What size is it? Congratulations! I always like this paint scheme the best!|
|Lance rode my new frame in 2001, Yipeeeeeee||Lazywriter|
Apr 28, 2003 5:04 PM
|Thanks to all,
I got it a racycles.com. It is a 58cm which is more like a 56-57cm in most other bikes because Trek measures to the top of the seat clamp instead of c-c or c-t. racycles has this paint scheme in a 58cm only. I paid what I think was a pretty good deal for the frame, fork and headset= $995. In my mind that is pretty good for a frame Lance rode to a win. I don't know, maybe I am sentimental, but he (Lance) only has a couple more years and having and preserving one of these bikes may be nice for down the rode.
I have to admit that the workmanship is not as good as other higher end frames, but from a functional standpoint, where can you get on a Tour de France carbon frame for $995??? My Litespeed Vortex didn't come with a fork and hs and retail for the Vortex, I could have 4 of these Trek frames. I am looking forward to building it up. It is lighter than my Vortex frame for sure, but doesn't feel as "bulletproof" as titanium. I really cannot see spending $3800 on a C40 if this is what can be had at less than a grand.
Apr 28, 2003 8:06 PM
|Lazywriter, be more specific about the workmanship issues that you noticed? I'm just curious.
I picked up a new 5200 this year (Blue and Silver, which I really like, btw) and it came with a small scratch on the downtube. Maybe happened in shipping, maybe at the plant, or LBS, who knows. The dealer touched it up, and I was so anxious to get going that I didn't make a big deal of it. Other than that, I'm quite happy with what appears to be solid workmanship. Also, I agree that there is no better deal out there for a carbon frame. You would think with the TDF wins one would have to pay a heavy premium. I think Trek made a smart move in pricing these for "mass" appeal. It doesn't bother me to see another one on the road. I just smile and hope it brings him as much peasure as I get from riding mine.
Apr 28, 2003 8:29 PM
I am comparing the frame details to what I see on my Litespeeds and other high end frames I have owned. For example, the chain stay stickers are a little askew on the Trek and the paint around the bottom bracket seems a bit sloppy, but not poor by any means. I think the paint on these treks are fragile as it seems like it wouild lift off in chunks. Paint doesn't seem to adhere to cf like steel or aluminum.
The frame is bright and colorful and overall looks great. No complaints for the price I paid. I am sending in my warranty card and I am all set. I am getting my Dura Ace shifters, bb, cassette and chain tommorow as well as a stem and taking it all to my LBS this week. I am gonna try to "preserve" this bike and not abuse it like my ti bikes. My Litespeed Classic rarely gets cleaned and when I do, it looks new after over 6 years. This Trek would do so well if I treat it that way. Overall, nice frame the Trek is, but at $995 it was easy choice.
|re: 100% stock--I work in his home shop.||teoteoteo|
Apr 28, 2003 5:07 PM
|I can personally guarantee that all his bikes are 100 stock. I can't tell you how many I have handled but they are all 58cm OCLV's..the same size I ride.|
|I don't hear anyone calling the Stem Police||El Caballito|
Apr 28, 2003 9:09 PM
|usually people are always screaming for the stem police. wa happan?|| |