|Boston Maraton takes a dump||rollo tommassi|
Apr 23, 2003 12:51 PM
|I can't imagine that this would endanger the sport?
|you gotta' be shxtting me! nm||mwood|
Apr 23, 2003 1:19 PM
|People aren't creative enough...||TJeanloz|
Apr 23, 2003 1:21 PM
|If somebody let fly on my lawn, I'd take down their bib number, look them up at the BAA, and go crap on their lawn. Unless they were Kenyan, because that would cause logistical problems.
Seriously though, people who live on the route put up with a lot of crap (pun intended) and the BAA ought to do something to manage the crowd that they bring through the suburbs.
|and I thought you were a capitalist?||DougSloan|
Apr 23, 2003 1:24 PM
|Put in a porto on your lawn and charge a buck each time; better advertise ahead of time so they'll know to carry cash.
Alternatively, get out the paint gun.
|People aren't creative enough...||IFTreedog|
Apr 23, 2003 2:56 PM
|I don't think Kenyans even have lawns|
|maybe 20,000 is too many?||DougSloan|
Apr 23, 2003 1:22 PM
|I have a hard time getting in to the porto at a race with 200 people there; can't imagine the lines for 20,000. The organizers have to accomodate them; if they can't, reduce the entries.
|They should have been at the Etape||ms|
Apr 23, 2003 1:53 PM
|I did the Etape du Tour last year (and plan to do it again this year). I saw a handful of portable toilets at the start. To the best of my knowledge there were none along the course. All 7,500 of us managed just well watering the sides of the road. Given that people stopped at the bottoms of the climbs to remove jackets, etc. there were a great many of us urinating in fairly public and built up areas (the middle of Borg St. Maurice and Le Grand Bornand for me). Everyone seemed to cope. Would I like it if a few thousand marathoners (or cyclists) peed on my lawn? Probably not, but I would get over it. I draw the line at tampons and used toilet paper, however. My take on the Boston situation is that you never will have enough portable toilets for everyone who needs to urinate. But, the landowners along the way can hose down their sidewalk or road after the event if there is too much activity in their area. The organizers should discourage any other litter and clean up that which is discarded. Insofar as people dropping their shorts to put on vaseline, etc., how many of us have dropped our shorts in a parking lot to put on some chamois creme before a ride or quickly taken off our shorts next to the car after a long ride? I'll take the Fifth Amendment on that. If people don't want to see what is happening, they can avert their eyes. The comfort of my butt (or even a marathoner's butt) is more important that someone's Victorian sensibilities. I guess not too many of the complaining people ever have been to a beach in Europe.|
|The French are no model of acceptable behavior (nm)||TJeanloz|
Apr 23, 2003 2:05 PM
|But they do enjoy life, . . .||ms|
Apr 23, 2003 2:16 PM
|which is more than I can say about many Americans. I am a (recovering) workaholic (that's why I didn't begin riding until three years ago) and as neurotic about my house and yard as the next person, but there is a lot to be said for the French attitude toward life (and urinating in public -- I hate to ride when I have to pee and cannot find a completely desolated place in which to do it -- has anyone on this board been busted for public urination?)|
Apr 23, 2003 2:25 PM
|I have been busted for public urination, but in the context of 3:00 a.m. on my way home from the bar, as opposed to an on-the-bike incident.|
|attitudes probably different in France...||weiwentg|
Apr 23, 2003 5:00 PM
|never been there, and don't speak French. but the Europeans in general (imo) are not as sensitive as Americans to nudity. plus France is home to the Tour; people may not have minded urinating cyclists so much.|
|Nail on the head...||teoteoteo|
Apr 23, 2003 5:48 PM
|You are onto something there. My first year at Letour was 2000 and I remember watching riders male and female alike urinating in the relative open spaces along the road. Since the Tour does not have lots of traveling facilities I saw plenty of people hiking into the woods with a roll of TP.
On top Ventoux in 2000 I remember seeing one cafe and 6-7 porta-johns total. The wind was so bad on top that the door was ripped right off one--that one became a mens pisser. In 2002 I was at Chalet Reynard and it was the same story. One bar and some porta-johns.
My funniest tale was 2001 when I had to go very badly and my only option was a "turkish" in a bar. If you've never seen one picture a porcelin (sp?) shower type thing with two very slippery footpads to stand on. Below is a hole that takes away the waste. Now picture a tiny room with a line of people and bib shorts, slick sidi shoes and French man that won't stop shaking the door that is 3 inches from your nose--that is pressure my friends!
|I was there...||Matno|
Apr 23, 2003 5:45 PM
|and I must say that it was one of the coolest athletic events I've ever been to. People really get into the Boston marathon, and you won't find a friendlier crowd of that size anywhere. That said, among the racers themselves, there can be quite a bit of tension. Many of them are VERY nervous, which doesn't help with the urination thing. While I didn't actually see any public nudity or other problems (I wasn't near the start of the race), I imagine that if someone left ANY garbage on my lawn, let alone used toilet paper and tampons, I'd get out the shotgun. (Except that I don't think guns are legal in MA anymore...)
I suppose one thing you could do is take pictures of anyone caught in the act. Enough close up shots posted on the internet ought to make people think twice about ignoring the PortaPotties... (Any volunteers to run a special website for this purpose? I'm certainly not going to. I'm still traumatized after a friend sent me a link to ratemypoo.com...) Actually, taking pictures of bib numbers in the act might be the ONLY way you could actually enforce any type of penalty, unless officers happened to be on the scene...
|Just stand in your doorway with a telephoto lens ..||dzrider|
Apr 24, 2003 5:49 AM
|smile at anybody who walks in your yard and follow them with the camera. You may get a few weirdos who really want to be photoed and bring like-minded friends over, but probably not too many.|
|Not just boston||Steve_0|
Apr 24, 2003 3:29 AM
|this has occurred at every race i've been to. Unfortunately, when people pay 50-500 bucks to enter an endurance race, they feel they have liberty to to what it takes to finish. Why not? look at their role models....professionals tossing their used waterbottles and gu packs onto the streets of towns kind enough to host their events.
Unnacceptable behavior? Certainly.
Townes need to begin citing offenders.
|re: Boston Maraton takes a dump||mbologna|
Apr 24, 2003 4:41 AM
|I ran Boston in 1996. That year, there were 38,000 participants. I never even saw the high school where most of the port-a-johns were set up - there were way too many people to get through. Once you get into the starting corrals, there is no way you're gonna go far from them to relieve yourself. So, what happens is that in the first mile after the start men and women alike are stepping just off the course to go (it is the only part of the course where they aren't thousands of people lining the route). There were hundreds of people stopped ahead of me, and I was in one of the corrals near the front of the race.
In addition, the ride from Boston to Hopkinton by bus takes quite awhile that morning, because of the traffic. At one point, our bus had to stop in traffic on a two lane road because so many people were complaining that they needed to go. Literally, we stopped in front of a house and no less than 20 people got off and went next to the bus (men and women).
It is a bad situation, but if you've ever been in an endurance event, you know that sometimes your choices of where to go are very limited. I do think people should try to be as discreet as possible, but when you are racing that is often not the first thing on your mind. I think the BAA could do themselves and the runners a lot of good by putting port-o-johns near the corrals and along the street within the first mile.
|Well, maybe they should just treat it like pup poops:||128|
Apr 24, 2003 5:10 AM
|The entrant simply scoops it into a plastic bag, runs along with his or her neatly sealed, officially sanctioned BAA Marathon Kevlar sack (monogrammed, country of origin, and race number for collectors and museum purposes)and deposits it in an officailly sancioned BAA Marathon recepticle, conveniently placed along the Oficially sanctioned BAA race course! Nothing to it.
As for urinating in puplic? I just don't have a problem with the occasional "I gotta go here and now" And during the race that's a price we pay for having the race. But it's too big now otoh.
20,000 is ridiculous. When I was a kid it was like 10 guys over 80 in crappy Nikes and kneehighs and maybe a wheelchair. Now it's just overrun with status seekers from foreign places, like Everett and Chiner.
|sounds like they need increased police presence next year nm||JS Haiku Shop|
Apr 24, 2003 5:30 AM
|Strangers on the Lawn?...Release the Jack Russell! nm||chipnseal|
Apr 24, 2003 5:52 AM