|Brand New Folding Tires are a Pain to Install||Fez|
Apr 23, 2003 7:11 AM
|I've never had a problem dismounting and mounting a tire to change a flat and can usually do it without a tire lever.
Well I put new GP3000s on and they were a pain to install for the first time. I chose the GP3000s because I can remember how tight the Michelin Pro Races were the first time I installed those. I've got major sore fingers and hands!
Are all tires hard to install the very first time? Does the bead quickly stretch a little once its been mounted?
There must be a lot of sore fingers around in the bike shop when they have to install brand new tires all day.
|Fresh outa the package...||biknben|
Apr 23, 2003 7:27 AM
|I doubt there is any stretch in the bead. Tires would be blowing of rims as they age. It's more likely to do with the packaging. The tread (carcass) is forced flat in the package. When you install it, it doesn't want to bend and pulls the bead out of the rim.
When you are mounting the tire, try to pull the tire as you tuck it under the hook of the rim. I tend to hold the wheel parallel to the ground, against my mid-section, and start at the part farthest from me. As I tuck the bead in I pull towards me to hold it in tight and take up any slack. As my hands come around towards my body I bend over and press the wheel firmly against the ground. This pinches the tire bead between the rim and the ground and holds it in place while I fight to get the last part over the rim.
It's annoying when you're fighting to get the last part mounted and the first part doesn't hold.
|Folding tires are hard to mount.||Fredrico|
Apr 23, 2003 11:18 AM
|What's the big deal about wire beaded tires? They're available with the same weaves, treads, rubber compounds as their kevlar beaded counterparts. You get the same tire about ten dollars cheaper. They're heavier by negligible amounts, don't blow off of rims, and, gosh, easy to mount, too! What more could you ask for?|
|re: Brand New Folding Tires are a Pain to Install||sievers11|
Apr 23, 2003 8:05 AM
|It can be a pain for some tire rim combinations. Not all rim are exactly the same diameter, not all tire are the same either. So when you run into a big rim and a small tire it can suck royally. I have not trouble with conti 2000 K on my ritchey wheels, but try the same tires on my shimano 7701's and it is headache city.
We have got an install stick at the shop that help us on tight tires...the top of the stick goes on the back of the rim, and the swivel grabes the front bead, and you pull the tire on...with happy fingers
|re: Brand New Folding Tires are a Pain to Install||MR_GRUMPY|
Apr 23, 2003 8:05 AM
|Folding tires are hard to put on because the bead does stretch. It has to be made a little small so that when it does stretch, you won't have major problems.
When I install a tight tire for the first time, I put it on without a tube, just to stretch it out a little. After the first time, it always a little easier.
|re: Brand New Folding Tires are a Pain to Install||cincy1|
Apr 23, 2003 8:11 AM
|I had this very same problem with a Michelin Pro Race I installed Saturday. In desparation, I got my wife's hair dryer and heated the tire for a few minutes. It became much more compliant and easy to handle. The bead was still tight but I did way less wrestling with the tire itself to get it in the proper position.|
|My ProRace experience...||Spunout|
Apr 23, 2003 9:05 AM
|Yes, I'd hate to go through with that on the road.
but, I managed to mount it all but 6 inches. I just left it there for 20 minutes (while I went and soaked my bleeding fingers). Came back, and flipped it right over the rim.
Better too tight than too easy.
(Uhh, I'm still talking tires here guys :p).
|My ProRace experience, I'll second that, Spunout...||BIG RING|
Apr 23, 2003 9:44 AM
|I love Pro Races, but my God that first install is brutal. GP3000's were almost as difficult. I found it especially hard over deep section wheels ie. Shimano WH7701's. They weren't as bad over Ksyriums or Open Pro's. Good advice earlier, when you can't seem to get the last 4-6 inches to roll over the wheel, do something else for a few minutes and come back. Your strength will have come back and the hairline fractures in your thumbs will have healed..............|
|why not just use tire tools?||tarwheel|
Apr 23, 2003 10:47 AM
|Am I missing something here? Isn't that what tire tools are used for? I've never had trouble mounting any tire to my rims using tire tools. Seems like a simple solution to the problem, or is it more manly to do it without tools?|
|why not just use tire tools?||Fez|
Apr 23, 2003 11:02 AM
|lever makes it a cinch to get it off, but that's not the problem. its easy to remove a tire by hand as well.
its the initial mounting - and the lever doesn't make it that much easier to get it on for the first time.
|re: Brand New Folding Tires are a Pain to Install||yellowspox|
Apr 23, 2003 11:01 AM
|I got tired of messing up my hands and started using some Kevlar gloves w/ the small grip "dots" on the palm that I use for muskie fishing...you just have to keep the wind at your back when you do it..LOL As for using tools...I could buy a new set of tires for the number of tubes I've screwed up w/ tools!|| |