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My new Colnago, getting the XXXX kicked out of it(32 posts)

My new Colnago, getting the XXXX kicked out of itlonefrontranger
Apr 22, 2003 6:55 PM
I turn 35 this year, meaning I'm a Masters racer, and so I now officially qualify for more bike than talent. This is my brand new Dream Plus Landbouwkredeit 'nag with Record 10 being put through its paces.

Pics taken at the Boulder-Roubaix Road Race, aka 51 miles of washboard dirt, bumpy potholed chipseal, loose gravel and dust. Wheels = Mavic Cosmos "beaters" shod with 23mm Axial Pros pumped up to 120psi. No running low pressure on this course, it's a sure recipe for pinch flats. You can't run 25s on this frame, there's barely clearance there for what's on it. The 'cross bike, much as I love it, is a bit of a boat anchor in comparison.

Note to the wannabes: Smart road racers wear a Camelbak. Especially in a long, dry, dusty race on a rural course where if you flat or break down, it will most likely be out in BFE, feeds only comes once every 17 miles and waterbottles are both UFO's and a severe handling liability. The first 3 miles after the feed zone are the roughest, and the road (if you can call it that) is absolutely carpeted with bottles that got forcibly ejected.

Link to another photo, taken from a different angle, showing the top of the climb at "Wipeout Alley", a nasty, steep treacherous gravel chicane:

I'd link that photo straight into the thread, but the photographer's got it locked against right-click theft, for obvious reasons

Pic below taken with a point-&-shoot from a moving auto, so you'll have to forgive the quality.
re: My new Colnago, getting the XXXX kicked out of itridingthegyro
Apr 22, 2003 7:38 PM
For some reason i thought that is a whistle around your neck...for scaring away dogs and aggressive fans maybe...but it is a camelbak indeed. You, your bike, and your camelbak are looking great!
Apr 22, 2003 7:48 PM
Attempt at direct link:


I've worn a Camelbak on many of my ultra races, too; makes perfect sense (hydration is more important than cool):

Apr 22, 2003 7:49 PM
good pic!lonefrontranger
Apr 22, 2003 8:01 PM
I love nighttime shots like that. I have some old pics lying around somewhere that I took at the Indianapolis Velodrome nighttime track races. The colors on the racer's bikes and kits just 'pop' more under the lights / flashbulbs.

My one concession to fashion is that I'll usually stuff the C-back under my jersey but over my base layer (mesh tank top or T). This keeps my back cool, not sweaty and also keeps the Camelbak from obscuring my jersey and race numbers. The officials out here all use photo finish equipment and get super crabby about number positioning. Which is kind of silly in a race like the Boulder Roubaix, where you're typically either in a very small group or soloing by yourself for miles regardless of how well you place.
Apr 23, 2003 12:12 AM
But are Camelbacks allowed in races? It seems to me that I have read somewhere that CBs are prohibited over supposed aerodynamical advantage. Or it applies to Pro only?
certain triathlons and pro TTs maybe illegal, not mass-start road raceslonefrontranger
Apr 23, 2003 5:29 AM
Nowhere in mass-start rules for USCF (or ACA / FIAC in our case) does it say they are illegal. I'm not sure about the UCI. Rules under the USCF generally have to do with safety, hence no aero bars i.e. "forward facing projections" on the bars because they seriously compromise one's handling and also have a high probability of skewering someone in a pack crash. Rules by the UCI mostly have to do with traditional geometry of the bike & wheels that affect things like accessibility of the bike to the world at large (hence no more "skunk works" type project TT bikes like we saw in the mid-90's). Camelbaks might be illegal in UCI TTs and elite draft-illegal tris due to aero advantages but nowhere else that I know of. Several folks around here that I know of use the low profile ones in local ITTs for this very reason.

The officials out here hate them because the people who tend to use them typically also do a lousy job of number placement for the cameras, but they can't tell us not to wear them.
Camelbaks necessary sometimesDougSloan
Apr 23, 2003 6:17 AM
For ultra races in the desert, a Camelbak is almost required. You need to drink nearly continuously, and never get behind. Same thing for some road races, unless you have support immediately available. Still, even with a car always with me, I found I stayed better hydrated if I used the Camelbak. I took it off for the climbs, and of course had to wear it outside the jersey, as it needed many refills. The best time to use it was on the long (10-20 mile) descents, where I could drink constantly, literally.

BTW, number placement isn't that big a deal if you aren't contesting the finish, like me.

'draft illegal tris'Steve_0
Apr 23, 2003 7:49 AM
Draft-legal tris are not tris, IMO.

having said that...without looking up the regulation, I cant imagine camelbacks are illegal in tris due to aerodynamic advantage. The triathlon world has embraced aerodynmaic advantage since the beginning.

Cowhorns, aerobars, integrated bladders, forward geometry, non-diamond frames, etc etc etc all brought about/survive by the triathon market.
Like I said before, you look "pro."Dale Brigham
Apr 22, 2003 8:57 PM

Why don't you send this photo to Ernesto C., over there in 'Nag-Land? I think he would truly get a kick out of it. These bike are made by him and his company for racin', and if that (B-R) ain't it, then nuthin' is.

Congrats again on a great race!

That's a good idea, think I mightlonefrontranger
Apr 23, 2003 5:19 AM
Thanks, Dale.

I'm a big fan of the bikes, that's for sure. My reasons have nothing to do with snob factor and everything to do with the way these bikes handle, race and ride. Can't wait until I'm fat and slow enough to afford a C-40!

A friend rides for a semipro team with Trek sponsorship, and they got 5900s this year. He is a longtime 'nag man, too and even though his CT-1 is a few years old and getting that hard-raced look, he still prefers it to his new "Lance" bike. He races the Trek for sponsorship reasons, but he RIDES the Colnago, which says a lot.

The Dream Plus is an amazing ride, especially on the horrendous washboard that 3' of snow left on much of the B-R course. It totally gives the lie to the "harsh aluminum" cliche'. The new roadie rides even better than my Dream Cross, although with the exception of a carbon vs. a steel fork and some minor geometry changes they're essentially the same bike. When I pre-rode the course, I was prepared to find this bike harsh and jittery, but the crazy part is that it's actually the best 'pave' bike I've ever had, and that includes my old lugged C/F Giant Cadex and the Alan 'cross noodle.
question for you...C-40
Apr 23, 2003 8:09 AM
Out of curiosity, what is the frame size (52-53?) and your weight? I am old (almost 50) and slow enough to have a C-40, but I may build a second bike when I move to Highlands Ranch this August. I ride a 54cm and only weigh 135-140. I've always found Al frames to be harsh. I've usually found that heavier riders have fewer complaints about the stiffness of Al frames than lightweights. I'm seriously considering the new LOOK KG461 or the Macalu Ti from Excel Sports as a bike for rides where the conditions are not worth risking the health of my C-40.
You asked her what!???! ;-) nmSpunout
Apr 23, 2003 10:11 AM
C-40, you must like living on the edge...Dale Brigham
Apr 23, 2003 10:27 AM
...of a precipice, that is. Asking a woman "what is...your weight?" takes some real cojones. My helmet's off to you, man.

Please have your next of kin inform me of your upcoming funeral date. I'll send flowers and a note of condolence.

Dale (ducking under desk to avoid the blinding flash and subsequent shockwave)
I'm in trouble now...C-40
Apr 23, 2003 11:32 AM
Totally totally forgot the sensitivity of this subject. The last Al frame that I owned was a C'dale CAAD 3 in '97 (as a second to my Tommasini Sintesi). The front of the bike was tolerable, but the back was darn stiff. Didn't keep it long. Sworn off AL frames since then.
Apr 23, 2003 4:35 PM
I'm actually not terribly sensitive about my weight. Especially since now at 5'4 and 145 lbs. I am at the lowest weight I've been since a brief stint of eating disorders as a late teen. I've always been heavy and I come from a heavy family. At least now I'm fit and heavy, not heavy and flabby.

Frame size = 46cm semi-sloping, equivalent to a 49cm standard.

Material doesn't matter anywhere near as much as wheel / tire choice, geometry and design. The Master tubing profile takes a lot of the sting out of the ride, IMO.

My Dream Cross is somewhat harsher despite being practically the same frame, by virtue of some frame gussets and a steel fork. My 48.5cm custom Easton 7005 Morgul Bismark TT bike is an absolute jackhammer compared to the Dream. I love it for crits, but 2+ hour road races, no way, and gravel / dirt - absolutely not. I'd lose control of the Morgul in the first corrugated stretch. I've crashed the Morgul on dirt before, it's a great bike, just not a dirt bike. My '99 Trek aluminum 2300 52cm couldn't hold a candle to ANY of these bikes, even the Morgul - it was both vertically harsh and laterally flexy, all the worst of both worlds.

Even my 49cm 1983 Reynolds steel Trek fixie does not ride this nice on washboards, I know 'cos I've tried.
thanks for the report...C-40
Apr 24, 2003 4:44 AM
Maybe it's the compact geometry that helps a bit too. I've read at of least one frame builder who's convinced that the compact design has more vertical compliance.

I've owned enough jackhammer frames to make me reluctant to experiment. The two most memorable were a C'dale 2.8 (with Al fork) and a Litespeed Ultimate. The both were incredibly rigid and prone to hopping around if the road got rough at all. A gravel sealed road on the 2.8 made we wish for a kidney belt.
My new Owner, getting the XXXX kicked out of herAkirasho
Apr 22, 2003 11:17 PM
... aside from the turning 35 and camelbak comments, I could have sworn I saw this topic posted on another forum... Does your Nago have internet access??

Be the bike.
If I had a bike that looked like that...jesse1
Apr 23, 2003 2:34 AM
...when not in use, it would be the centerpiece on my dining room table. It's a looker!
re: My new Colnago, getting the XXXX kicked out of itSkidoo
Apr 23, 2003 5:07 AM
Nice pic, but how did you get it? Was the car a neutral support vehicle with your photog friend along for the ride, or what?
you got itlonefrontranger
Apr 23, 2003 5:33 AM
Marty is a photographer with the Daily Camera and a bike racer in her own right. She hooked up for a lap in one of the neutral support cars and it was a last-chance sort of thing so she didn't have her bag of "good" equipment, just the point & shoot digital.

This is one of the wider parts of the course where you can actually drive a car on it. There are several sections where neutral support consists of motocross type motorcycles and 4x4 ATVs.
[wolf whistle!!!] nmJS Haiku Shop
Apr 23, 2003 5:15 AM
You can ride in the mud with me anytime.MB1
Apr 23, 2003 5:31 AM
You better bring your 'crosser though, 23mm tires aren't going to cut it.
My old Cervelo, kicking the XXXX out of CCTTBipedZed
Apr 23, 2003 5:31 AM
From last week. You gonna be at AST?
yeah baby!lonefrontranger
Apr 23, 2003 5:37 AM
Dude, you are killing in CCTT this year. That is a SWEET picture, too. The new Vitamin Cottage kit has really sort of grown on me.

Better watch out or they might upgrade you if you keep putting a minute into your nearest competition!

Yeah, I'll be at AST, probably not liking it much. John is racing 4s so we'll be there all damn day.
Apr 23, 2003 1:47 PM
Thanks, are you still planning on MT over Memorial Day? I really tried to make that work out but I don't want to do the drive. Too bad since it's pretty much like Platte Bridge would have been. Except a lot further away.

Look for the new me at AST...the one that isn't afraid to move to the front at the end of the race, the one that doesn't get intimidated off a wheel, the one that can actually do well in something other than TTs and cross.

If you find him let me know! ;-)
Apr 23, 2003 5:38 AM
Unless they changed it recently, isn't the course mostly around the rez now and more paved sections than before? When I did the roubaix I took my old steel Bianchi and used 28s (big mistake). The bike was so heavy and sluggish I had a hard time staying with the main group and eventually was dropped. The wide tires didn't really help on the gravel climbs either. I also came out of my pedals on some washboard. Best to crank those suckers up tight in these kinds of races.
Apr 23, 2003 5:48 AM
Start at the beach house on the Rez. Go west and hang a right on 51st, follow that north to Neva. Go left on Neva (paved) to 49th (first dirt on right) and hang a right on 49th. Follow 49th to T intersection on Oxford. Right on Oxford to next left at bottom of screaming dirt descent. Left on 51st again, follow that all the way out to Nelson. Nelson to 63rd, right on 63rd, (all paved chipseal but better than the dirt) all the way back to Neva. Right on Neva to the canal path. Left onto the canal path through really horrendous gravel turn and follow the canal path back to the Rez open space trails. Dirt all the way back to the famous "Wipeout Alley" chicane right before the start/finish. 17 mile loop, about 2/3rds dirt and gravel.

I heard one of the Saturn guys exhorting his teammate who'd apparently raced in some Euro cobble races to "stay on the main track dude, DON'T ride off on the shoulder no matter how smooth it looks...!!" One word: goatheads. They don't exist in Belgium.
you are just toooo cool for the rest of us(nm)cbutte
Apr 23, 2003 5:59 AM
re: My new Colnago, getting the XXXX kicked out of itJL
Apr 23, 2003 6:09 AM
Great pic(s). I need to ask though, did you pass the rider in the foreground of this picture:


That's you in the background, no?

Nice ride.

you are correct, I passed her in the rough washboardlonefrontranger
Apr 23, 2003 4:27 PM
I was gaining on her pretty much all the way through the dirt. Passed her on the tough washboard right after the start/finish and she didn't even try to work with me at all.
love that paint scheme, btw nmDougSloan
Apr 23, 2003 6:24 AM