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Saddle Position - Fully back - still not far enough(9 posts)

Saddle Position - Fully back - still not far enoughRoopenstein
Apr 22, 2003 5:31 AM
Help!

Bought a Ridgeback Genesis day 02 last year. Lovely bike in everyway, except! I can't get comfortable on the saddle. the two things that p--s me off most are: the fact that i can't get the saddle back far enough (ie top tube too short - the next frame size up the top tube was too tall) I’ve moved the saddle as far back as it'll go.

Also the saddle is really uncomfortable after only 30 mins or so of riding - it feels like I’m sitting on a cricket ball!! its worse when i try and sit further back due to the other problem of not being able to get the seat back as far as id like.

Now, Ivel heard about 'laid back or set back seat posts' but most are fairly expensive and I’m hoping to solve both problems by replacing the saddle alone for a more comfortable one, preferably one that gives me more reach - longer rails etc. but the question is which one???? any ideas guys??

P.S. Ivel tried different stem heights and lengths but I still keep wanting to stretch back further.
Get a longer stemLigon
Apr 22, 2003 5:38 AM
Why not get a longer stem to fix the fit problem and also get a new more comfortble saddle.
Get a longer stemRoopenstein
Apr 22, 2003 10:27 AM
ooo thanks for that very useful advice that i never would have thought of...
Sorry did not see your PS.......Ligon
Apr 22, 2003 6:15 PM
Dont be a Dick!!!
re: Saddle fore/aft not used for cockpit length...teoteoteo
Apr 22, 2003 6:00 AM
Part of the fit problem is that you don't use the seat fore/aft to achieve the proper cockpit length. First you set the seat height a fore/aft AND THEN address any other cockpit issues of the bike. The fore/aft is a function of how you are centered over the pedal spindle and proper fitting will result in getting an efficient pedal stoke. Try to think of it like equalizing the muscle groups in your legs so that you get maximum efficiency.

That being said you very well could need a post with set back to achieve this. I could not tell without looking or fitting you (plumb line tests). If your saddle is uncomfortable in general then replace it but I suspect you may be compensating while riding and you are on the "wrong" part of the saddle. Your "sit bones" should be resting on the proper portion of the saddle to get the right comfort level. When fit is poor sometimes this is impossible to achieve and thus you get discomfort.

My recommendations would be to find someone that works with fits and let them have a look. If the fore/aft is wrong they can spot quickly and correct. Don't sweat the cost of a post--if necessary buy a cheap Kalloy for $20 until you can afford a nicer one. Hope this helps.
Can't get the saddle back far enough to accomplish what?dzrider
Apr 22, 2003 7:17 AM
If it's to allow comfortable pedalling you got a problem you have to remedy with a new seat, or post, or frame. IMHO the previous poster is correct that the only reason you move the saddle is to change your body's position relative to the pedals.

If it's to clear your knees by your elbows when you're riding in the drops, you are likely to be able to fix that with a longer or lower stem. This will also take some weight off your saddle and may make it more comfortable.

If it's to get weight off your hands, you need to spend some time getting used to an efficient riding position before you make any changes. Part of the saddle comfort question is answered by getting balanced on the whole bike rather than sitting squarely on the seat and using your hands just for balance.
Can't get the saddle back far enough to accomplish what?Roopenstein
Apr 22, 2003 10:37 AM
well thanks but thats not it, there's plenty of clearence(knee to elbow) and ive tried different stems lengths angles heights etc. i wansnt asking for advice on the front end - i was talking about seat comfort and the position of my arse in relation to my feet i.e. my arse is not far back enough. all i realy need is recomendations of good saddles(ones with longer rails) and seat posts. any how it looks like this years model of my bike has a setback seatpost as standard.
SDG Comp Ti...C-40
Apr 22, 2003 5:45 PM
Comfy with more setback than most road saddles. The all Kevlar cover is great.
Here's some info to digest:coonass
Apr 22, 2003 7:24 AM
1) Seat post w/backset: http://www.titec.com/items.asp?deptid=4&itemid=31
2) Saddle positioning 101: http://www.cyfacusa.com/FIT%20SADDLE.htm
3) Brooks' Swift (or other Model) Saddle: Yes, it's hard as a rock, but after you've ridden one for your first 50 miles, you'll forget about the saddle. even being there....even better for longer rides....Nothing worse than having saddle problems...definitely takes all the enjoyment out of riding!!! Here are some pro/con reviews: http://www.wallbike.com/Swift.html
Hope these help.
Bon chance!