Apr 17, 2003 10:25 AM
|How many of you (us) give up money to ride. I've really overcommitted myself recently to work way more than I'd like because it'll cut into my riding/training time. If I take time off from some of my commitments then I literally don't get paid for that time. (Not chump change that I'm giving up either)
How many of you, given this would give up money for riding (or should I say happiness?)
In case you're wondering, I think I know what I should do, but what I choose to do, may be different. I'm sort of young for this type of crisis, are'nt I (I'm 35).
|yes; factor in lost opportunity, and riding is expensive (*)||DougSloan|
Apr 17, 2003 10:46 AM
|*but well worth it.
|Expensive for our employers, too||Straightblock|
Apr 17, 2003 11:41 AM
|due to our lost productivity while we surf RBR at work!|
|Ahh, but....||Mel Erickson|
Apr 17, 2003 4:27 PM
|A happy worker is a more productive worker, or some rationalization or other like that.|
|4th best day of the week (behind Friday, Sat, and Sun)||js5280|
Apr 17, 2003 10:51 AM
|Having been out of work for just over a year now, I've really learned about how little I need to lead a happy life. At this extreme, a little extra money doesn't hurt because it limits my freedom somewhat. From this experience, I think I will question more what liabilities I take on, look closer at the cost/benefit factor they have on my happiness. If you want life with all the trimmings; big fancy house, expensive car, large family, etc. you start to become beholden to work to pay for those things.
There's a point where work/money becomes the antithesis to freedom and happiness. It up to each of us on how to handle this. Some opt to work hard and retire early, others spend their life digging themselves in and out of debt, and others opt to have fun along the way but watch what they spend. I'm for the latter because you never know your final day is going to arrive.
For me, really looking at the cost/happiness factor seems to be the best deciding criteria. Cycling is a very high for me. There's a fairly large initial investment, but over the long term, for the happiness and health it brings me, it's an absolute bargin. You probably don't have to give up money for riding, but you will need to give up those others things that force you to work instead of ride.
|re: Thursday Poll.||MR_GRUMPY|
Apr 17, 2003 11:00 AM
|I never heard of a person, on his deathbed, who wished that he had worked more.|
|Both. Make more, play more, work less.||Spunout|
Apr 17, 2003 11:07 AM
|Okay, I had to go back to University to make it happen, but is now paying dividends.
I go home early, never take work with me, and have a very rich life. Don't plan on a trophy home, my SO and I have one vehicle (a Cavalier). My bike (I only have one bike) is half of the car's value, looks cool on the rack.
We live downtown in the park, near the water, and walk to our community's ammenities. I walk to work.
Come to think of it, I haven't spent a penny in a week. Make my own lunch(rice and ratatouille: Need Carbs). Waidaminnit! I spent $30 for race registrations; but that's what it is all about.
Apr 17, 2003 11:14 AM
|When you say "overcommitted myself recently to work..." what does that really mean? Did you promise your employer, filling in for a co-worker, committing to a customer, etc.? If you are breaking a PROMISE, I think the answer is easy--do the work. I don't care what the money is. I agree that committment to happiness, familiy, cycling are all important just be careful with the next committment at work.
I'm 50(almost) and am beginning to regret some of the choices that I have made with my career. That is why I am slowly cutting back on my work committments and have Master X-Light on order. I don't want to be sixty and feeling like I do now. Good luck in whatever you decide.
Apr 17, 2003 11:21 AM
|I'm retired, I opt to spend my free time riding my bike as opposed to working part time. I guess in a perfect world it would be nice to work about two days a week and use the money for my bike expenses. But once you get everything down all you need is to maintain your bike and buy new tires, chains, cleats and so on as needed.
Speaking of riding, the sun is peeking out now, so while most of you folks are at work, think I'll go for a ride..
|F/U Poll Q. If yes, what % of your salary would you give up? NM||eyebob|
Apr 17, 2003 12:00 PM
|re: Thursday Poll.||No_sprint|
Apr 17, 2003 12:06 PM
|I've opted for a job that pays less than many in my area. This job also affords me great freedom. Did I do this just for cycling? No. Was it part of the equation? Yes.|
|re: Thursday Poll.||Akirasho|
Apr 17, 2003 12:39 PM
|... I'm an hourly employee... and overtime can get into serious money (especially weekend and holidays)... and in the past, our manufacturing was hot and heavy into meeting production goals (lots of OT)... but I preferred the ride.
Now, the bottom has fallen out... OT is as rare as a month of Sundays... and I feel fine (many others became accustomed spending based on the OT paycheck... I've almost always been a 40 hour man). In fact, left work two hours early (went LBS hopping cuz it's raining).
Be the bike.
|not me, but...||weiwentg|
Apr 17, 2003 12:51 PM
|re: Thursday Poll.||Leroy|
Apr 17, 2003 2:15 PM
|I - on purpose - took the job I now have, which pays about 30-40% of what I could make were I to really hump it. As it is, I have time to ride, time to pursue two other interests, have peace of mind, and on and on. Both my wife and I are getting to do exactly what we want to. I wouldn't go back to the rat race for anything. So I think it is well worth it to trade $$$ or "opportunity" or "ambition" for what is really important.|
|Refused to work the the last 2 weekends||jtlmd|
Apr 17, 2003 3:32 PM
|Because of riding plans and desire to not work more I refused moonlighting opportunities each of the past 2 weekends ($70/hr).|
|re: Thursday Poll.||katie1|
Apr 17, 2003 3:56 PM
|I could take a job that would pay me more, but the quality of life that goes along with it is not worth it. What's more money when I would have to rotate weekends, work nights and be on-call? No thank you! Besides, if you are working all the time when do you spend the money? My current set up allows me time to ride any afternoon and weekends. Money doesn't make you happy, it just helps. I have several colleagues that make plenty of money but are completely unhappy.|
|re: Thursday Poll.||B2|
Apr 17, 2003 4:41 PM
|In an effort to get more free time for biking and other activities I took the plunge in '98 and decided to attempt working 32 hours per week. My position has traditionally been a salaried position, but I worked a deal with my boss that basically says if my total hours are less than 40 I get paid for hours worked and if my total hours exceed 40 I get paid for 40. The good news is that if I work 10 hours one day and 6 hours the next, I'm still on track for 40 hours. It's really worked out pretty well so far. I've really enjoyed being able to take a day or afternoon off here and there (as long as I'm caught up) without having to sneak out the back. Although there has been a fairly significant drop in pay, I think it's been worthwhile.
|re: Think long and hard||tmotz|
Apr 17, 2003 8:00 PM
|I'm 35 too, not young but not old.
Do you have a wife?Ask her opinion,children ?Watch them they grow up fast.
This year I figured I've turned down enough work to buy a new Colnago but I rather ride(don't race just like riding.)
I've already worked to hard time to enjoy,never know when its over.
|re: Thursday Poll.||js5280|
Apr 18, 2003 3:50 PM
|If I could do it all over again, I'd omit the hard work. . .
When you get to reach a certain age, you start to take stock of your life. On the whole, I'm pretty happy with the way things have turned out for me. I've got a fantastic wife, two wonderful children, and a successful landscaping business. Yep, all in all, I'd say I've had it pretty good.
Yet I do have one not-so-small regret. You see, in my 67 years, I spent a lot of time busting my humpand for what? If I could do it all over again, I would definitely omit all the hard work.
They say youth is wasted on the young, and it's true. The young don't have the wisdom and experience to know what's important. If I could go back in time knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have studied so hard or wasted all that time listening to my parents. I would use my hard-won hindsight to weasel out of the character-building chores and homework that were a constant in my younger days. But, unfortunately, I don't have a time machine. All that terrific goofing-off time in my teens and twenties, when I could have been stoned or drunk or catatonic in front of the TV, is gone forever. And why? Because I had my nose buried deep in some book, or was helping Dad paint the house. What a colossal waste.
You know what else galls me? For some reason, I got it into my head that owning my own business would be the best thing in the world. Sure, it's nice now that I'm an established name in the landscaping business. But for the first 20 years, it was nothing but back-breaking work getting that sonofabitch off the ground. Can I honestly say that my life is enriched because I'm my own boss, when I could have spent that time playing basketball orbetter yetwatching people play basketball on TV? I don't think so. It's not like I'm so wealthy that people wait on me hand and foot. I lead a comfortable life, but a lot of people live comfortable lives without having to spend 15 years hauling rolls of sod.
Then there's the home I designed and built with my own two hands. This took four years of grueling labor while I was working full-time. And did I do it faster or cheaper or better than professional builders could have? Not really. Sure, there were moments of pride, like watching my two sons run up and down the stairs I built from a mighty oak I cut down myself. But when I look at the house most days, I just see sore hands, an aching back, and an endless list of repairs. Next time I need to do some major construction, I'm giving some Mexican day laborers a check and catching the first plane to Hawaii.
As for my family life, I'm lucky to have a wife like Cheryl, who at 62 is still a beautiful woman, both inside and out. Still, maintaining a marriage is incredibly difficult, especially for 38 long years. When I weigh all the compromise and the trust-building, the nurturing and the moral support, I'm not sure it's been entirely worth it. Yes, I have a soulmate and a confidant, but, really, when comes down to it, I just want to be having sex on a regular basis. Was it worth all the endless nights ironing out knotty relationship issues and keeping her happy with gifts and affection just for some sex, when a good hooker would have done the trick? I'd say no.
Then there are the kids. What was I thinking? Okay, so seeing your newborn child for the first time is a thrill that can't be equaled, I'll grant you that. But that moment of joy is dwarfed by all the headaches and hassles that come later: the smelly diapers, the expensive orthodontics, the horribly awkward father-son talks. Every phase of child-rearing presents a new parenting challenge: the terrible twos, the sullen tweens, the torrid teens. And after all the struggle and the tears, what's the great reward? A severely hobbled social life and a popsicle-stick birdhouse on Father's Day. Oh, and the joy of having someone call you "Daddy." Whoopee.
Yep, if you don't stop and take stock of your life, it'll all slip away from