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Is this a sign of the Apocalypse?(27 posts)

Is this a sign of the Apocalypse?rollo tommassi
Apr 17, 2003 7:04 AM
or is it just because it's Florida? And how does this compare to the rights of other road users, like cyclists?

(this is on this morning)
Oh my god!filtersweep
Apr 17, 2003 7:14 AM
First they hijack the presidential election, now this???
it's a different world down thereDougSloan
Apr 17, 2003 7:17 AM
At least they probably won't kill too many people driving only golf carts, vs. 1975 Cadillacs.

it's not just FLAJS Haiku Shop
Apr 17, 2003 7:24 AM
good point re: carts vs. cadillacs. LOL!

ritzy little 'hood south of GA where mrs. haiku has relatives is a mostly golf-cart 'burb. they park their cars on friday night and use golf carts exclusively until monday's 60-mile commutes. many many square miles of lots are crossed with golf cart paths, and all the roads have a cart lane.

similar things on Lake Erie with boats, though instead of going from home to the grocery, they go from their peir to the bars. oh, and boats sure use lots more dino fuel than golf carts.
TRUE! Happening here in CO and also in AZRickC5
Apr 17, 2003 7:58 AM
But, just to be clear, the geographic areas where all this madness is taking place are "retirement communities", all with golf courses, naturally.

It started as "We just want to be able to drive our carts to the grocery store rather than our SUVs." or some such drivel. Who knows where it will all end?
this one is actually *not* a retirement communityJS Haiku Shop
Apr 17, 2003 8:01 AM
just a large, high-dollar neighborhood with a lake and golf course.
this one is actually *not* a retirement communitySadlebred
Apr 17, 2003 10:28 AM
Mrs. Haiku must have relatives in Peachtree City, GA, a southern suburb of Atlanta. The cart paths are fun to night ride mountain bikes on in the winter, which is perfectly legal.
;-) nmJS Haiku Shop
Apr 17, 2003 11:04 AM
Electric cart vs. SUV to the corner store. Mass transit next?Spunout
Apr 17, 2003 8:25 AM
Lots of them are gas powered, not electricRickC5
Apr 17, 2003 10:48 AM
Plus, you can buy special bodies, so your cart can look like a '57 Chevy, or a '65 Mustang, of a Hummer. I'm sure you get the idea. Theses are toys, that's all. Kinda like bikes (?).
You had me worriedMR_GRUMPY
Apr 17, 2003 7:24 AM
I thought you were going to say that Shimano was going to be the "official" sponsor of the Tour De France.
THAT would be bad. nmSpunout
Apr 17, 2003 7:38 AM
OMG! My dad lives there.theBreeze
Apr 17, 2003 7:51 AM
This is the first I've heard about it. I guess I'll have to give him a call and find out what's up. He has mentioned that there is a problem with some residents letting grandkids drive the golf cart around too much. These darn retirees have no sense of responsibility. (tounge firmly in cheek)

On a serious note it'll probably take a tragedy to get people's attention. Look at the problem with 4-wheelers. Seems like every summer here in New Mexico we have a couple kids killed in stupid 4 wheeler accidents.
golf is not a sport and golf carts are not cars nmafrican
Apr 17, 2003 8:02 AM
obviously you haven't golfedDanoK
Apr 17, 2003 9:40 AM
Golf is a sport that requires great skill, judgement, and training....just like cycling. You don't get any better unless you work hard at it. If you have golfed and still don't think its a sport then you obviously don't GET golf.

I agree that carts aren't cars though.
I golf. Golf is a game. Cycling is a sport.Spunout
Apr 17, 2003 9:55 AM
Look at the players! And, that is what golfers do, 'Play', thus it is a game.
Precisely. Baseball is a "game" also. nmgreg n
Apr 17, 2003 11:59 AM
I still don't get it.Scot_Gore
Apr 17, 2003 12:31 PM
This is silly thing to ask, and will not make any difference to anyone, including me, but I don't understand the difference between a sport and a game.

They seem like tomato or tomato, potato or potato, roof or roof, car or auto, near or close, you get the idea to me.

What's an attribute of a sport that's not an attribute of a game ?

Like I said, sily of me to ask, so if I pay no attention to your reply don't be offended, just curious.

my definitiongreg n
Apr 17, 2003 1:28 PM
A sport requires endurance (most importantly), strength, quickness, finese, skill, etc. And is BOTH physically and mentally demanding at the same time. Examples: bike racing, soccer, hockey, etc.

A game might have one or more of these attributes, but DOES NOT require endurance and is EITHER physically or mentally challenging but not both. Examples: Golf, chess, baseball, bowling, etc.

If there's time to smoke, chew tobaco and/or scratch, it's a game.
100m dash a game?DanoK
Apr 17, 2003 8:09 PM
Who says (besides yourself) that endurance is the critical factor in deciding whether or not something is a sport or a game? Does that make track & field events like the 100 meter dash a game? High jump? Long jump? They don't require endurance. How about diving? Sportsmen in these events have lots of time to sit around and scratch....yet they are highly trained athletes. I think your definition is pretty thin.

I can't believe I'm defending golf...hell, I don't even play it anymore and I've never been interested in watching it on TV. But I have played it enough to know how physically challenging it is. Its not an endurance challenge....but the physical skill it requires is huge. Ever try to hit a ball consistently straight and far? Its damn tough....requires concentration and practice. You'll only be able to do it with lots of training (practice...whatever....same thing.)
interesting questiongreg n
Apr 21, 2003 11:20 AM
By my definition, one 100m dash could be considered a game. However, if you've ever competed in track and field you'll know that you have to go through a series of qualifying heats and/or rounds in track and field events to make it to the finals. This is where the endurance comes in. You must be able to perform well enough to advance and still have enough left for your best performance in the final heat/round.

Diving? hmmm close to being a game, but once again, based on the fact that you need to maintain top form and condition for numerous rounds at a time equals a certain amount of endurance.

As for golf, I play(ed). Used to play competitively as a matter of fact. And I agree that it does take physical finese. And it takes a lot of practice and concentration. Heck, when I was a kid, I used to ride my bike about 10 miles to the golf course and then play 18 to 36 holes everyday in the summer and then ride home again. Now that's the best of both worlds!

My definition might be thin, but it puts baseball where I want it. Game, not sport.
Ahem. Golf could be considered either a sport or a gameKristin
Apr 21, 2003 11:54 AM
Let the dictionary definitions be your guide. ALL of the activities mentioned here fit both the definitions of Game and Sport. Different games/sports require varying degrees and types of skill. Cycling generally requires strong legs and good endurance. Golf requires excellent steadiness, and eye/hand coordination--not to mention, lots of patience. And the level of skill required to compete varies within each sport as well. Anyone can ride a bike 2 miles, but its another thing all together to race a 15 mile citizens crit, and yet another to race the same course x4 as a pro.

Is cycling is harder than golf or nascar? Comparing the two is silly. Apples and oranges.

- A competitive activity or sport in which players contend with each other according to a set of rules: the game of basketball; the game of gin rummy.
- A single instance of such an activity: We lost the first game.
- An organized athletic program or contest: track-and-field games; took part in the winter games.
- A period of competition or challenge: It was too late in the game to change the schedule of the project.

- Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
- A particular form of this activity.
- An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
- An active pastime; recreation.

\Ath"lete\, n. [L. athleta, Gr. ? prizefighter, fr. ? to contend for a prize, ?, Hom. ?, contest, ? prize; fr. the same root as E. wed: cf. F. athl[`e]te.] 1. (Antiq.) One who contended for a prize in the public games of ancient Greece or Rome.

2. Any one trained to contend in exercises requiring great physical agility and strength; one who has great activity and strength; a champion.

3. One fitted for, or skilled in, intellectual contests; as, athletes of debate.

\Ath`let"ic\, a. [L. athleticus, Gr. ?. See Athlete.] 1. Of or pertaining to athletes or to the exercises practiced by them; as, athletic games or sports.

2. Befitting an athlete; strong; muscular; robust; vigorous; as, athletic Celts. ``Athletic soundness.'
"Why does everyone have a shed next to their garage?"ArvinC
Apr 17, 2003 8:12 AM
I play a lot (too much, really) of golf at different courses in the Mid-Atlantic/South-East region. I was at one course last year where I noticed almost every house had a small shed attatched/next to their garage. When I asked the pro what they where for, he said, "Oh, they're not sheds. You park your golf cart in there."

Like Doug said in his post above, "It's a different world down there."
Great idea!Fredrico
Apr 17, 2003 9:10 AM
Don't want to spoil the fun, but golf carts run clean and silent, are gentle on the roads, take up only a little space, and can't keep up with a bike.

So where's the beef? Retirees should be encouraged to leave the Caddy at home and take the golf cart to Eckerds. Cart traffic would have a "calming" effect on car speeds, making the flow of traffic much friendlier to bicyclists.

Farm tractors and pedestrians have the right to the roads, why not golf carts?
My folks drive their Golf Cart around their community.Scot_Gore
Apr 17, 2003 11:41 AM
My folks live in rural Arkansas. It's a "planned" community and they are quick to correct me when I call it a "retirement" community, even if almost everyone who lives there are retiried folks.

The roads are private and sharing them with golf carts is just an expected fact of life in the community.

It's in the Ozarks, so I think the biggest limiting factor is the % grade of some of the roads. My parents don't take the cart to the boat in the marina because it's just not made for the kinds of hills between their home and dock and the "cost" (on the down hill at least) could be your life.

Is this a sign of the Apocalypse?lonebikeroftheapocalypse
Apr 17, 2003 11:50 AM
LOL. nmKristin
Apr 17, 2003 12:36 PM