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Strong Frames and Waterford(9 posts)

Strong Frames and WaterfordPBLed
Apr 15, 2003 1:55 PM
What are the major differences between these two builders? It seems that you can get a custom true temper S3 frame from both of them, but the Waterford is going to about $600 more. Is Waterford that much better of a builder than Strong? What are you getting for the extra bucks?
A little info...miposy
Apr 15, 2003 3:44 PM
Both are good builders. Call both and discuss with each what you are trying to accomplish. Based on your call, select a builder. I suspect that after you speak with each you will know who is going to build your frame.

This is a no-lose situation.

BTW, I own two frames from one of these builders, while my best friend owns a frame from the other.
re: Strong Frames and WaterfordPicshooter
Apr 15, 2003 4:18 PM
I have a FOCO Strong. Carl Strong was a pleasure to deal with. When you talk to him you are speaking to the person who not only designs your frame but welds it as well.He delivered my frame on time and it rides as good as it looks. His welds and finish are excellent.I was a little hesitant to choose powdercoating over wet paint,but I am happy I did. Not a nick on it in over a year.
I think both builders are excellent choices, but for value for your money you won't do better than one of Carl's frames.
Have fun and let us know what you decide.
re: Strong Frames and WaterfordDaveG
Apr 15, 2003 5:39 PM
I have not owned either of these bikes so this is purely an observation but the Waterford seems to have a greater emphasis on esthetics. Their frames look and feel more traditional (until recently they were all lugged). The Strong frames are very functional and maybe more technical but with perhaps less emphasis on the esthetics. Do you want to just go fast or feel some attachment to old school tradition? Both shops have a excellent reputation so you can't go too wrong.
I think the Waterford S3 bikes are TIG welded nmPdxMark
Apr 15, 2003 6:19 PM
re: Strong aestheticsPicshooter
Apr 16, 2003 6:13 AM
When I was frame shopping I decided I really didn't want a compact, but I did like the ability to get the bars where I wanted them with a minimum amount of spacers. Carl's "not a problem, what would you think about" solution was a 3 degree sloping top tube. Tig welding easily allowed that to happen. That said Carl will also build you a frame using lugs.
One thing that impressed me was that Strong has "strong" machining skills and for example uses a lathe to cut the BB threads.As far as his sizing ability, I knew the positon I liked and before I told him my current frames sizes and after providing him with my measurements he came up with the same seat,head tube and stem size.
Apr 15, 2003 6:16 PM
I have 2 Waterford 2200 (Rey.853) bikes and I have never been on a ride that someone doesn't compliment the beauty of the lugs, paint-job or just overall beauty of the bike itself.....I have nothing negative to say about the Strong; but I'm absolutely, 1000%, happy with the Waterfords.....and forgot to mention that they ride like a dream on any road conditions.
re: Strong Frames and WaterfordMR_GRUMPY
Apr 15, 2003 6:18 PM
If you are looking at S3 frames, you better be one of those lightweight riders, or one who never crashes. True Temper S3 is pushing the envelope of steel frames. It's a little like the sub- 1 Kilo Aluminum frames. Don't plan on it lasting 20 years.
Most riders would be wiser to get a frame 1/2 pound heavier, and loose 1/2 pound of body weight.
re: Strong Frames and WaterfordLLSmith
Apr 16, 2003 2:13 AM
I think you will hear nothing but good about both bikes. I have a new 2200 that has proven to be a great ride.Talk with both manufacturers and see what will work best for your needs.I went for the Waterford because they have a dealer in my town. They are also the Serotta dealer. I had complete confidence that the shop owner would fit the bike for my needs. You can't really go wrong with either of these manufacturers.