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My New Klein and a couple of Questions...(10 posts)

My New Klein and a couple of Questions...Akirasho
Apr 13, 2003 1:52 PM
... I'm close to completing my Klein...



... but have a couple questions about inline adjusters and cable guides.

I bought this rig as a frameset and it came with inline cable adjusters. Do any of you riding Kleins with internal routing use these adjusters? It seems as though they would rub against the finish.

I've got a couple other bikes (different makers) with internal routings but this is the first time I've seen Klein's take. Do you shorten these guides as necessary or remove them (after guiding cable) completely?



On a sidenote... I hate the headset industry... kinda.

Gone are the simple days of 1" threadless. My stable now includes at least one of almost every type available today... including Klein's funky Cane Creek IS take (lower bearing is oversized (something that even the shop I bought the frame from was unawares)). Once we got that straight (they sold me a stock IS first), I will admit however, that the rest of the installation and adjustment were quick and easy. As for me, my jury is still out on the longterm viability of this product (also have a Campy Hiddenset equipped bike)... but oooooooh, the frame/fork is soooo... b!tchn'.

Lastly, for you stem police... here's the closeup you've been yearning for.



Before you get your panties in a bunch (unless you like that sort of thing) I must say that (while sitting on a trainer) everything feels right (from saddle height, to reach (both on the hoods and in the drops) 38mm of spacers... frame is a 61 ). Indeed, the headtube on this frame is about 10mm shorter than comparable rides in my stable (and only 10mm taller than my primary TT bike) and if you factored in the stack height of the average headset... If having a bit of length is wrong, I don't wanna do right.

The pedals are temporary (the only spare pair I had on hand). And, as many of you already know... a photo does not do the finish on this frame any justice...

Be the bike.
re: My New Klein and a couple of Questions...Spoke Wrench
Apr 13, 2003 2:18 PM
My Klein came with barrel adjusters attached to where the shift cables emerge from the Ultegra STI's which I think is a far cleaner arrangement. Obviously, mine came as a whole bike.
... I guess I shoulda' looked closer...Akirasho
Apr 13, 2003 2:29 PM
... this detail photo was on Klein's site and shows the type of adjusters I have...



My next q (unless I find yet another detailed pic) is whether or not the round or flat side fits near the frame?

Be the bike.
One question ...urwhaturide
Apr 13, 2003 4:04 PM
Hey Kleinetic
A quick question for you .....
1. The first photo - Is that first photo show your bike setup in your riding position? My archaic roadie thinking tells me that bike is a bit small.
2. Saddle angle - Pointing down? Why?
Just curious
Looks way too small for you.slide13
Apr 13, 2003 5:47 PM
With that much seatpost sticking out, that long of a stem and that many spacers on the headtube I can deffinetly say that the frame is too small for you. Nice looking bike, but it just really doesn't look like it's your size if that is how you need it to be set up. Just my oppinion.
More than one answer...Akirasho
Apr 13, 2003 6:50 PM
1. The first photo - Is that first photo show your bike setup in your riding position? My archaic roadie thinking tells me that bike is a bit small.

... while it's still in the build process, that's fairly close to final. I've got a phreakishly long leg and arm length (no small coincidence that my "Dad" worked at the Airbase where Project Blue Book was HQ'd... quite near the fabled Hangar 18).

2. Saddle angle - Pointing down? Why?

... tis true that there will probably be a bit more on the road tweaking of saddle position, but I do ride with a slight nose down... works for me.

With that much seatpost sticking out, that long of a stem and that many spacers on the headtube I can deffinetly say that the frame is too small for you.

... slide13, you aren't the first, and most assuridly won't be the last to make that comment, but I assure you... this combo works for me. Most of my bikes have very similar top tube lengths and have very similar overall "feels". The only bikes out of this mode are TT, recumbents and my cafe cruiser.

http://www.psycle-therapy.great-ride.com/my_rides_photons.htm (note too the Airborne Manhattan Project... I get size critique on this one too... till you see me on it)

Thanks for your input.

"I have those on my Cannondale"

... Matno, I've got some funky inlines on my latest CAAD5 'Dale... but they don't seat in/on the cable guides... I'll probably end up using some type of shield (small bits of tube rubber held in place with contact cement) to protect the frame.

As for the saddle angle, I'm hoping that's not fully set up yet. If so, you're going to wear out your arms in a hurry.

... maybe it's some type of parallax view through my camera's lens... still, as stated above, I do generall run with a bit of down angle at the nose. Works for me.

"Assume you do not have a carbon steerer tube?"

... Kerry, you assume right. It's an alloy steerer. I've got a couple rigs with CF steerers and on one, I run just above the recommended limits. It's a specialty TT bike that sees very limited miles... so I'm willing to take the risk.

Also, per another poster, it looks too small given the stem situation and the amount of seat tube, and boy that saddle is tipped down at the nose.

... I measured the headtube on the frame and with internal headset, it's 10mm shorter than other similarily sized road bikes in my stable. As I noted in the original post, considering the lack of exposed headset above and below said headtube... it's fairly close to the others.

... come to think of it... my Ex did snatch my nads off when we seperated... maybe that's why I can take that tilt???

Thank you all for your input.

Be the bike.
Cannondale...Matno
Apr 14, 2003 3:19 AM
The cable guides are specifically made for CAAD4 frames like mine. I guess the wider headtube of the CAAD5s precludes their use. I would guess that the Klein adjusters angle out from the frame enough to compensate for the head tube width...?

As for frame protection, a couple of different companies make heavy duty vinyl adhesive frame protectors that are clear, which would look MUCH better than tube rubber! I've got "Stay Tuff" on my C'dale, and I believe Cambria sells the kit with chainstay guard and a few little circular patches for about $3. That's $3 well spent, in my opinion...
I have those on my CannondaleMatno
Apr 13, 2003 4:59 PM
At least they look identical. One of them was kind of loose and I was afraid it would contact the frame, but the tension of having the cables and housing fully installed holds it quite snugly in place (and well away from the downtube). If it's like mine, the flat side faces the frame.

As for your steerer, I just wish my steerer were that long. If so, my setup would look just like yours (only not quite as beautiful - there's just something about Klein bikes!) I have almost an identical amount of spacers on my mountain bike and it doesn't bother me one bit. If it's a carbon steerer, I'd be a little more leary (depending on how much you weigh)...

As for the saddle angle, I'm hoping that's not fully set up yet. If so, you're going to wear out your arms in a hurry. A saddle angle like that, while comfy for some for a few minutes, puts almost all of your upper body weight on the handlebars...
Assume you do not have a carbon steerer tube?Kerry
Apr 13, 2003 4:31 PM
That spacer stack height is too much if your fork's steerer tube is CF. Too much exposed steerer for a part not made to take the bending forces. Also, per another poster, it looks too small given the stem situation and the amount of seat tube, and boy that saddle is tipped down at the nose. To each his own.
re: My New Klein and a couple of Questions...tedr
Apr 13, 2003 6:52 PM
Akirasho
to answer your question about the cable guides, route your cables thru the guides and then remove the guides
do not misplace the guides or you will go crazy when you need to replace the cables with out the them
good luck with your neww ride