|Love cycling - hate over-jealous co-worker (long post)||c722061|
Apr 7, 2003 7:15 PM
|Does any one have to deal with over jealous co-worker over working hours?
I have held this job in computer field for more than 5 years. Over the last four years I had worked 14 hours/day, 6 to 7 days a week with out overtime pays to help build the company then it got robbed by CEOs and now in the verge of collapsing. So, for the last year or so I have tried to cut back hour to spend time with my family and to get some exerecises because I have gotten overweight in those years.
I discovered that now I am in love with bicycling so I try to come to work early and leave early to ride. Eventhough I put in 8 hour of honest work everyday, my next cube neighboor seems to hate the fact that I leave early and has stirred something up to all the bosses. Honestly, I really do not care about this job anymore but his actions have spoiled my rides recently and it made me really mad. Do you have to deal with this at work? BTW, his working hours are varies but he comes in at least two hours after I did.
|Is it possible for you to bike commute?||PseuZQ|
Apr 7, 2003 7:43 PM
|That way, you could get your rides in without having to leave early.
How have your bosses reacted to your schedule? If they're cool with it, then I wouldn't worry so much. Maybe your neighbor has a known reputation as a sh*t disturber...
Alternately, maybe you could invite your neighbor to ride with you some time? Maybe he or she is resentful that yo have this cool thing that gives you special dispensation from the bosses and *gasp* makes you happy! Involving your cubie could make that person your co-conspirator.
|re: Love cycling - hate over-jealous co-worker (long post)||purplepaul|
Apr 7, 2003 8:15 PM
|Have you talked with your bosses about this? If they're any good at all they'll realize that they will get much better work out of you if you are happy and fit. Some companies even pay for gym facilities or memberships because they know that this tends to increase productivity at work (at least that's what the salesguy at the gym I no longer go to said).
Anyway, if you'll need them as references for your next job, you'll have to maneuver carefully. If not, I think you can feel good knowing that you're not hurting anybody and, in fact, are a much better employee than the jerk who sticks his nose into things which don't affect him at all.
Apr 8, 2003 2:44 AM
|I don't think anyone on their deathbed goes "Boy, I wish I spent more time at work". Rather: "I wish I spent more time with my family, etc". Good for you for working those hours. Just recognize that if your company goes belly up, all those hours won't count for anything -those CEOs probably have a golden parachute too.
It's a strange aspect of the work world that somehow it's acceptable to come in "late" yet to leave early is a big sin, no matter what time you clocked in in the morning. If "putting in the time" is an issue, ALWAYS send off at least one email to some people when you get in to show you were there early. If your neighbour really annoys you, try to find a reason to need him for something and request he comes in early one morning, or send him an email copying your bosses on it saying you need an issue resolved but are still waiting for him to come in ;^)
Ride, be with your family and enjoy life -clearly your cube neighbour doesn't! Really, pity him, rather than get annoyed.
|I'd rather be you than your neighbor!||dzrider|
Apr 8, 2003 4:18 AM
|Some years ago a local insurance company experimented with flexible hours for programmers. The could come in as early as 6:00 AM and leave as early as 2:30 when they didn't have a project going live that required their presence. The results were very telling.
1. No improvement or decline in productivity.
2. A great increase in overall employee morale.
3. A few people worrying themselves and their bosses about the comings and goings of their co-workers to the point that they drove middle management crazy and ended the experiment.
In a certain sense I worry far more about somebody so mentally unhealthy that they obsess about you riding your bike than I worry about you. Somehow or other you'll make life and riding work. Your neighbor runs the risk of being a miserable butt hole forever.
|Unfortunate part of the territory||terry b|
Apr 8, 2003 5:38 AM
|I work at pretty famous high-tech company where long work hours are an accepted part of the macho culture. I've had friends and bosses ask me "only working a half day?" on nights when I absolutely had to leave at 5 (after coming in regularly at 7:30 and working through lunch.) It took me a long time to realize that their problem is that they're insecure about their performance and that they think staying late will somehow make them safer. Your neighbor is clearly one of these - angry that you're willing to adjust your hours when they would like to but are afraid. Howeve, one day it dawned on me that the people getting rewarded were not necessarily those putting in time beyond 5 p.m. Now I come on time and leave when I feel like leaving and nothing has changed in the way I am viewed.
My advice - sit down with your direct manager and tell them you're hearing these rumblings and that yopu wanted to them them you're coming in early so that you can leave at a reasonable time to pursue your interest. Ask them if this is a problem and if their answer is "yes," be prepared to either change what you're doing or continue with whatever consequences come up. I have people working for me with adjusted hours and it's never been a problem. Your manager may not care a whit.
|AHHHHH....I hate that||ColnagoFE|
Apr 8, 2003 5:50 AM
|I work 7-5 (instead of the normal 8-5) and get every other Friday or Monday off as a result of working the extra hours. Since I live in Boulder and work in Denver that means I have to get up at 5am and don't get back home till 6pm. Only 2 of us in our department take advantage of this plan--the rest claim they can't get in that early but still seem peeved that we get that day off and they don't. These same people rarely get in before 9 and one guy even routinely gets in at 10. They all leave at 5 or shortly after--same time I do. In my experience of the corporate world that staying late is seen as more valuable than coming in early for some reason. That said...I refuse to play the games and value my spare time so I just let them think what they want. I am not defined by my job so I put in my hours and leave without feeling guilty. To tell the truth, I don't really even like my job all that much but it makes decent money to support my family and has good benefits such as plenty of paid time off for biking and vacations with family.|
|re: Love cycling - hate over-jealous co-worker (long post)||Fender|
Apr 8, 2003 6:49 AM
|the company I work for is pretty flexable with hours. I know of people who come in at 6am and leave at 2pm. I come in at 7ish and leave around 4 to get some rides in. My supervisor and manager know of this and they totally support it, as long as things get done on time and right the first time. On Mondays and Fridays which are my recovery and spinning days I usually stick around a little longer, just so I won't give the impression that as soon as 4 hits, I'm out the door.
Talk to your manager and tell him about your riding and family time. I'm sure that he/she will understand and be supportive.
To all the other posters, thanks for sharing your knowledge. I'm only 22 and this is my first job out of college so I'm sure I'll be encountering those same co-workers in years to come.
Apr 8, 2003 7:25 AM
|You only need to do three things:
1. Make sure you tell your boss that you come in early so you can leave early, and be consistent with your hours. In other words, ALWAYS arrive at 7:00 am, and ALWAYS take off at 4:30 pm (or whatever), even if you aren't riding. Establish a pattern, and everyone will adjust to it.
2. Make sure your work doesn't suffer and you get everything done when you promise to get it done. If the perception is that you work less because you leave early, make sure you never slack off.
3. Ignore your co-worker. Who really cares? If you get your boss on your side, and your work does not suffer, your other co-workers will know you aren't slacking off. And nobody will care about the whiner anymore.
This is exactly what I do, and what I've done for years. Frankly, I could care less what any of my co-workers think about it, although as far as I know, no one has complained. It helps that I am good at what I do, but I also work hard to make sure that there will never be any issues with my hours. In other words, when my boss throws more work on my desk at 3:00, I work very hard to get it done before I take off, or maybe I cancel the ride that day. If I have to go to a late meeting, I cancel my ride. Everyone knows now that I come in early, and sometimes, my boss counts on my early arrival to handle some situation. It's only a problem if you let it become a problem.
|vacation time is an issue as well||shamelessgearwhore|
Apr 8, 2003 7:56 AM
|I've noticed stuff like this where I work. Also with vacation time. Here in America it (vacation time) is not valued very high. I actually use mine and go to exotic places with it. Many people just never use it. Maybe a couple days around Xmas or something. I always get this feeling like I got some kind of special treatment when I come back from someplace fun. Traveling to care for a sick relative is acceptable, but actually coming back with a tan is unforgivable. Screw em, it's their loss.|
|Agree with #1 and #2, #3 is irrelevant to me .. .||ms|
Apr 8, 2003 8:03 AM
|I am one of the partners in my firm, so #3 is irrelevant to me. But, #1 and #2 are important whatever your job may be. I have a client with whom I deal regularly. He works from 7-4:30. I usually arrive around 9, but stay until 6:30 or 7 pm. I know that if I need a quick answer from him, I can send him something as late in the day as I want and I will get an answer before I arrive at my desk the next morning. Likewise, he knows that he can send me something as late as he wants in his day (i.e., 4:30) and I will send him a reply before I leave the office and he will have it when he arrives at 7. He needles me about my late arrival at the office and I needle him about his early departure. But, the important things are that we know when we can reach each other and irregardless of when we arrive or leave the office, we get our work done. And, BTW, everyone who knows me probably has figured out about my 6 pm "client meeting out of the office" on Thursdays during Daylight Savings Time. But, I make up for it on rainy weekends and many late nights at the office.|
|Follow up - Thanks all!||c722061|
Apr 8, 2003 8:23 AM
|Thank you all for your comfort words. I am actually very good at my work. I often think of something new to improve our works hence I usually finish my projects early and help others. Eventhough I have cut back my hours, I still put in extra work here and there from home and my direct boss knows it.
Recently, we had a change in management resulted in my director got laid off, they hired a new VP in his place and my neighbor started to hang out in bars with this VP and started acting snorty and all. Anyway, I took all of your advices and when to talk to my direct boss. He assures me that things will be resolved since he knows and values my work. BTW, my boss repeatedly put in promotion for me but all denied by the new vp. I am getting out of this job at the first good opportunity.
|I'm one of those "bosses"||filtersweep|
Apr 8, 2003 8:10 AM
|-and it would not reflect positively on your COWORKER if some nosey kissa$$ was tattling on anyone... the old saw "nobody likes a tattletale" still rings true. It is none of your coworker's business... and I'd assume he/she was covering for some other performance shortcomings of their own...
in other words, don't worry about it
|pee in his coffee||pmf1|
Apr 8, 2003 8:15 AM
|And if it turns out that he likes slightly salty coffee, then try thumbtacks in his seat. I hate jerks like that.
Seriously, life is too short to work so hard. If you're really the dedicated employee you claim to be, surely your boss knows it.
|re: Love cycling - hate over-jealous neighbor||ryder1|
Apr 8, 2003 9:10 AM
|My work is pretty cool about getting in early and leaving early. Pretty much if I'm producing and getting results, I can set my own hours which is pretty surprising for such a big company. |
My neighbor however seems to have some deep seated jealousy and insecurity about my lifestyle. He works at home (all the time), does'nt help with the kids - according to his wife, and is hardly ever outside. On the occasions I meet up with him outside he always has some disapproving comment like, "geee, home early again, where you biking today?, is that a new bike?, how many bikes do you have now?, etc."
Harmless sounding enough but, it's always in this disapproving, you're a bike bum sort of way. "ah, ya Craig, I split early to get a big ride in, big race coming up, and then I can get home before my kids and still have time to wrestle with them in the grass and maybe head over to the pool before I put them to bed." Get your priorities straight neighbor............
|Piss him off||shamelessgearwhore|
Apr 8, 2003 10:23 AM
|by asking him what its like to "stay home" on vacation all the time.|
|Check this out...||gtscottie|
Apr 8, 2003 11:52 AM
|How's this for a boss. I work 25 km from the town I live in and if I ride to work in the morning, my boss insists that I leave work an hour early so that I get home at the same time as my co workers. How's that for a sweeeeeeet deal.|
|Agree with some of the other posts but will add...||Bonked|
Apr 9, 2003 9:35 AM
1) 8 hours is 8 hours. Period. If you come in early and leave early, come in on time and leave on time, or come in late and leave late shouldn't make any difference.
2) (and this is the important one) some people work more than 8 hours b/c they have to. If you're not that bright, spend 3 hours a day talking to friends on the phone, talking to friends at the water cooler, etc. you need to be at work forever each day!