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Steel Comparison(7 posts)

Steel ComparisonPBLed
Apr 7, 2003 10:54 AM
Sorry if this is getting old, but this is my last steel questions. Does anyone have any experiences comparing the Gunnar Roadie with the Gios Compact Pro? Major advantages or disadvantages. Thanks alot, you guys have given great insight in the past.
two different geometriesMXL02
Apr 7, 2003 11:10 AM
I have not ridden either one, but I have researched both and found that the Gunnar geometry is more modern with a longer top tube, whereas, the Gios is a more classic Italian design with a shorter top tube.
re: Steel ComparisonNessism
Apr 7, 2003 12:30 PM
The Gunnar uses oversize steel tubes while the Gios is old school standard. It's hard to know for sure but I suspect the Gunnar is stiffer as a result.
Gios vs Gunnarbianchi boy
Apr 7, 2003 4:23 PM
I would base your decision, if you're choosing between these frames, on the geometry. They are both nice frames. I have a Gios Compact Pro and it fits me nicely, as I was looking for a frame with a shorter top tube. All Gios frames have relatively short top tubes and steep (74) seat tube angles. The quality of finish on the Gios is excellent -- you have to see the Gios blue in person to appreciate it -- and I like the classic styling with chrome fork, lugs, stays. Their frames are made from a proprietry Dedaccai steel alloy, not the lightest steel available nowadays but reasonably light. It is a very smooth riding frame, despite the tight geometry and steep angles. I had a little trouble finding a saddle to fit my frame because I couldn't move them far enough back to position my knees over the bottom bracket. Now that I've settled that issue, I have no complaints about the frame. I just wish I had ordered the frame 1 cm larger. The main concern with the Gios is the geometry -- do not buy one if you prefer a frame with a long top tube and relaxed geometry. I have put more than 9000 miles on my Gios over the past 2 years, and it does not have a single paint chip or any rust on the chrome.

I haven't ridden a Gunnar but have seen them. Gunnars are TIG welded, not lugged, and made of Reynolds 853, so a comparably sized frame would probably weigh at least 1/2 pound less than the Gios. I have heard that the paint quality is not the greatest on Gunnars, but you can buy them in a lot of different colors. (Gios only come in blue.) Gunnars have longer top tubes than the Gios but slacker angles, so the fit probably wouldn't be extremely different. I toured the Waterford plant last summer, where Gunnars qre made, and was impressed by their quality. Essentially the Gunnar is the same frame as a Waterford, only with TIG welds rather than lugs. The Gunnar has a more modern look, with oversized steel tubing and no lugs.

Hope this helps. I don't think you'd go wrong with either frame.
ClarificationPBLed
Apr 7, 2003 5:47 PM
Thanks for all the great insight. Just to clarify things abit, I am definitely looking for a frame that I can race on, and I am a taller rider, 6'4 180.
Clarificationgeeker
Apr 7, 2003 6:06 PM
I'm tall and have checked the geometry of the 2 frames. Gios CP st angle of 74 deg is very steep for a large frame. Gios also has very short chainstays, 39.5 or 40cm iirc. OTOH, the *largest* size of Gunnar Roadie (62 or 63, I forget) has very long (for a racing bike) chainstays of 43cm. If you, at 6'4", go for the largest size, this chainstay/wheelbase difference could cause a pretty big difference in ride/handling (Roadie relaxed, CP twitchy). Like an earlier poster, I'd expect large Gunnars to have stiffer BB, due to more O/S tubing.
hmmm .... racingtarwheel
Apr 8, 2003 4:10 AM
I don't race, so take my comments for what they are worth. I would expect the Gunnar to be stiffer, due to the oversized tubing, and definitely lighter than the Gios. The Gios is no noodle, though, and I have never noticed any chain rub on the front derailleur any other signs of lack of stiffness in the BB area. The Gios has a bridge between the chainstays, which stiffens up that area quite a bit. One potential advantage to the Gios is the replaceable/adjustable rear drop outs. If you damage your dropouts in a wreck, you can buy and install new ones for a nominal cost. You also can vary the chainstay length about 1-1.5 cm, depending on how far back you move the dropouts. With the dropouts moved all the way back, my chainstays are about 40.5 cm -- compared to about 39.0 cm moved in. My Gios with the chrome steel fork, Campy Chorus group, Mavic Open Pros, bottle cages, Look pedals and computer weighs 21 lbs. Not sure what a Gunnar weighs, but I imagine it would be less than 20 lbs. similarly equipped with a carbon fork.

tarwheel/ bianchi boy