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Animosity between cyclists and scooter-people(20 posts)

Animosity between cyclists and scooter-peopleonespeed
Apr 3, 2003 7:16 AM
I was riding home last night as usual. The weather has been nice enough to make the fair weather cycling commuters come out in force, so I had a bit of company on the roads with me. I see an adult on one of those big scooters flying down the street by self propulsion. I didnt give him a thought as I passed him and hit the stoplight on Union Square South and 14th street.

The light was red and while I was waiting for the green I hear people arguing next to me. I turn to see that it is a bike commuter and the scooter guy. She is screaming about how scooters dont belong in the bike lane and he is trying to argue his case. thinking I have missed something I scan the ground for a bike lane marking and become even more baffled because I have never heard this argument before.

I start to enjoy the argument between them, but the woman turns to me as if I will back her up in her tirade. The scooter guy looks at me and just as the light turns green I say "Welcome to the bike lane." Scooter guy laughs and I hear the woman collapse in a fit of apoplexy.
I hate those thingsmohair_chair
Apr 3, 2003 7:35 AM
Nevertheless, according to California law, they must be ridden in the bike lane, so the question is moot.

Stuff like this makes me wonder why we bother calling it a bike lane anymore. But then they allow motorcycles and single-driver electric vehicles in the "carpool" or "high-occupancy vehicle" lanes, so I guess names are just for the sake of convenience.
runnersnewhouse
Apr 3, 2003 8:05 AM
are runners allowed in the bike lane? i hate it when they are running the wrong way in the bike lane and force me out into traffic when there is a perfectly good sidewalk they could run on.
runners - same gripeScot_Gore
Apr 3, 2003 8:33 AM
In my town we've got a miles of paths with duplicate dedicated paralel lanes. One specifcally labeled for bikes and one specifically labeled for foot traffic.

The vast majority of runners are running in the bike lanes. I think that they feel that going through and around the walkers moving at a much slower pace interupts their run. Over on the bike lane all the traffic is moving as fast (other runners) or faster (me on my bike) than they are, so they enjoy a higher quality run. I guess they can't see that they're bringing the same frustration to me, that they fled the foot lane for.

Oh well, onto the street I go, to bring frustration to some driver who can't understand why I don't use the bike lane.

Scot
motorcycles, by nature, are high-occupancy.Steve_0
Apr 3, 2003 8:41 AM
at a MINIMUM, 50 percent of the seats are occupied.
well, then why stop there...mohair_chair
Apr 3, 2003 8:59 AM
The Porsche Boxster is a two-seater, as is the Mercedes-Benz SLK 320, Mazda Miata, and BMW Z-series.

At a MINIMUM, 50 percent of the seats are occupied, so I guess you see no problem declaring these as high-occupancy vehicles as well.
...and cement trucks (nm)LactateIntolerant
Apr 3, 2003 9:05 AM
well i WAS kidding, but as long as we're getting picky...Steve_0
Apr 3, 2003 9:36 AM
the intention of HOV lanes are for the promotion of energy-conservation. Motorcycles, and electric cars are energy-conserving vehicles, and therefore are allowed in the HOV lanes in most states.

It's a lot easier to call in an HOV lane than a HOVAMAEC lane.
Disturbing little elitist trend here....Silverback
Apr 3, 2003 8:32 AM
If we're all going to get along (which may not be the case, or even desirable), maybe we should try to lose the "cyclists have more rights than other trail users" mentality. I don't know much about scooters, but for serious runners, the sidewalk is no more practical than it is for serious cyclist, and for the same reasons. In most communities, the multiple use trail is called a "bike lane" by convention, but it's really meant for everybody who's not in a motorized vehicle.
Earlier this year on a ski trip I heard a comment that ought to worry us all: A hot-dog skier blasted through a group of novices and one of the newbies muttered something about, "Is there any sport that attracts more a**holes than skiing?" Instantly, two people shot back, "Bicycling." We need the public's cooperation to keep cycling safe, and we don't get it when we act like asses.
Disagree,,,KEN2
Apr 3, 2003 8:43 AM
What I hear people referring to here is a bike lane, not a path. A bike lane by definition is a striped area ON THE ROADWAY. As such it is not for pedestrian traffic nor runners... motorized scooters/Segways are another matter, depending on local/state laws which vary.
The crazy thing is, there was no marked bike lane. (nm)onespeed
Apr 3, 2003 8:47 AM
Let's all just get along!Rich_Racer
Apr 3, 2003 9:19 AM
Frankly, I don't mind people usingf the bike lane for other activities - although I have almost hit a runner or two coming the wrong way! I find people using a bike lane and a parking lot far more annoying. There's this person that parks their big green SUV on the bike lane on one of my commuter routes, every day - right on a descent, around a blind corner!
Let's all just get along!russw19
Apr 3, 2003 12:03 PM
In most states it is illegal to park a car in a clearly marked and designated bike lane. Call the local police office and ask them to tow it. Or if you don't mind being confrontational for the sake of saving the guy the towing expenses, simply explain to him that his big SUV is not olny parked illegally, but a potential accident risk for cyclists. He may choose to move it rather than be sued for negligence by a commuter who hits it if it is indeed illegally parked in a blind corner.

Either way you choose to handle it, the end result should be that he doesn't park there and that makes the lane safer. You have just done some nice community service for you and your fellow cyclists.

Russ
Unfortunately it is legal where I liveMikeBiker
Apr 3, 2003 1:10 PM
The bike lanes where I live are used for parking cars and according to the city official I talked to it is legal. I puzzles me because the sign says bicycles only, but I guess parked cars are considered a bicycle.

Mike
maybe it's largely fear of getting whackedDougSloan
Apr 3, 2003 9:15 AM
I think most cyclists have a constant fear of getting run over and killed or maimed. We don't usually fit in with motor traffic, and we can't ride on the sidewalks. When the road designers are nice enough to create some special place for us, where we can be a tiny bit safer and less of a burden (sarcasm) on motor traffic, maybe we feel like defending that special turf. That assumes it really is a bike lane, though.

There are a lot of cyclists who act like jerks, though, but the reasons might be partially understandable. I started to feel like going nuts on someone a few weeks ago when 3 different vehicles had people throwing something at me and one did a pretty severe "brush back," even though I was in a marked bike lane. It takes a lot of patience to ignore that stuff, and the anger can build up, as you don't have the ability to retaliate or even effectively yell at a passerby going 40 mph faster than you are. Combine it with fatigue at the end of a 100 mile ride, and blowing up takes on a whole new meaning.

Nonetheless, I think it's better of we try to be ambassadors for the sport, at least staying rational and civil.

Doug
Isn't the goal to separate traffic according to speed?dzrider
Apr 3, 2003 9:53 AM
I feel very uncomfortable on Cape Cod bike paths when most of the riders are going < 10 mph and many get off to walk up the dunes. If the paths were full of runners going a steady 7 mph or mopeds going a steady 20 mph I'd feel fine.
In my world, I'd make the issue the speed not the vehicle.
OT - Those DogsTheBigM
Apr 3, 2003 9:40 AM
Man, I love the pictures of your dogs you keep posting. I've been saving them whenever I come across them. Priceless!

M.
Thanks M. They are the source of a lot of laughter. (nm)onespeed
Apr 3, 2003 10:19 AM
re: Animosity between cyclists and scooter-peoplecarbs
Apr 3, 2003 6:59 PM
I was riding in a bike lane in Mesa this past fall and had a moped also using the bike lane pass me at a light. I don't know whether or not that's legal.
onespeed; what are the vicious man eaters names again?stik__boy
Apr 3, 2003 7:07 PM
not sure if you remember but i have 2 killer dachsunds also...... + a foster, and italian greyhound. love all the
pics you post. you commented that they're hours of entertainment..... i know ours can be a laugh a minute!!