|which is the best look pedal?????||allezrider|
Mar 26, 2003 3:17 PM
|I am trying to decide on some road pedals after using mtn bike bike for the past years and thinking about trying out the look system . I would love to hear some thoughts about the system. I am hearing things and reading about the squeek. can anyone address this problem?
thanks in advance
|I like the 206||DougSloan|
Mar 26, 2003 3:28 PM
|I have the 206 on 5 bikes now, and 2 more sets of them in a box. I also have the 296 and CX.
The metal platform ones can squeek, not the ones with a plastic insert, like the 206 and CX. The 206 has the broadest contact area, too, which is nice for comfort on long rides. The 206 is the lightest or clost to it, too. I can't think of any reason to spend more than the $80 or so for the 206. I've tried lots, and prefer them over all others.
Mar 26, 2003 3:42 PM
|I have two bikes with Look road pedals. One has 296's and the other has CX-7's. The CX-7 is Look's flagship pedal. It is all kinds of adjustable and pretty darn light for a Look pedal. The CX-6 is very similar but is a bit cheaper. To be honest, I can't even tell you what is different between the CX-6 and the CX-7. Old Look pedals sqeaked, but almost all clipless pedals squeak to some extent. I spray my cleats with a shot of Armor All and it keeps them quite and makes it easy to get in and out of. I have a friend who puts a little dap of waterproof grease on the part of the cleat that contacts the retention plate and he says it works well. I have never tried it.
If you don't need to make a bunch of fancy adjustments and fine tuning of your pedals, Doug's recommendation of the 206 is solid. They are good pedals, but you can't adjust much on them. Sometimes that's for the better.
Mar 26, 2003 3:57 PM
|I bought the CX7 thinking it has rotational adjustment in the "yaw" plane, but it didn't. I messed around with various cants and Q adjustments, but ended up back at "normal" anyway. They do look cool, though.
I weighed the CX7 and the 206, and they are almost exactly the same. It cracked me up.
The CX7 may have better bearings or something like that, but they you could go through 3 or 4 sets of 206s for the price.
You are right -- unless you need funky adjustments, no need for the CX7.
The 206 only adjusts release tension, but I always just set pedals on maximum anyway.
|This Seems Like a Good Time To Ask...||serbski|
Mar 26, 2003 9:23 PM
|...about some terminology here: I have the 247's for what it's worth. When one talks about "float" is that refering to "rotational float" which I take to mean the ability to adjust movement of the foot from side to side. In other words, the heel can pivot towards/away from the crank/frame etc. Whereas "lateral float" would refer to the foot "tilting" along the horizontal plane (allowing for pronation/supination?). Am I making sense here? Been wondering about this for a while and this posting seemed like a good time to jump in with these queries. Thanks all.|
|re:This Seems Like a Good Time To Ask...||russw19|
Mar 26, 2003 10:19 PM
|OK assuming I am reading this correctly...
The float you are asking about is your heel being able to float in an arc side to side. Just your heel, your toe should remain pretty well put. Your whole foot shouldn't move side to side, just your heel. Some pedals like Time's ATB and Cook Bros. Egg Beaters (and now Look's copy of the Egg Beaters) will allow your whole foot to move side to side. Heel and toe.
The other thing you are asking about, pronation and supination is only adjustable *to my knowledge* on the Look CX-6&7 pedals. That is the "yaw adjustment" Doug was talking about in his previous post about these pedals. The only other ways I know of to solve for pronation and supination problems is via good molded orthotics, or you can try the penny under the cleat trick. I know people who have used various shims under their cleats ranging from home made plastic shims to pennies under the part of the cleat you need raise to account for how your foot travels in the pedal circle.
Hope that is what you were asking about.
Mar 27, 2003 8:09 AM
|CX-7--excellent if you want those adjustments.||djg|
Mar 27, 2003 6:45 AM
|I did. The CX7 is fantastic at offering a range of adjustments not found on any other pedal, as far as I know. If you have knee or other problems that these adjustments can address, it's a bargain.
With that said, I'd agree that if you don't want the special adjustability of the CX7s, it's just a bunch more money than some of the other Looks with only marginal gains in the basics. Set up the same, you probably wouldn't notice any benefit at all to a CX7 over, say, an on sale old (NOS) 296 or something.
Mar 26, 2003 4:32 PM
|I have used them in the past and they're great. I have 296's on my 271 now but frankly, I can't notice a difference.|
|PP 396 Jalabert signature series special edition||african|
Mar 26, 2003 4:15 PM
|I ride a bit harder when I know I have my Jaja pedals.|
|PP 396 Jalabert signature series special edition||russw19|
Mar 26, 2003 4:27 PM
|Plus they look super duper cool!
The only pedal that is better looking is the stars and strips Saeco pedals.
|CX-7 pedals ending on ebay tonight 6:45 pacific time......||MerlinMan|
Mar 26, 2003 5:47 PM
Mar 26, 2003 6:51 PM
|Yes, it is the best. Been using for a year. No maintenance, no creaking, light, nice colors, simple to use, cheap.
|I 3rd the 206...Great pedal for the $$!!...nm||PsyDoc|
Mar 27, 2003 5:18 AM
|re: which is the best look pedal?????||bianchi boy|
Mar 26, 2003 7:14 PM
|Look pedals are great, except for the occasional squeak. Looks provide a nice solid platform and are very easy to clip in and out from. Go with Doug's advice on the 206 model -- you can't beat it for the price, weight, etc. I've had good luck with the PP-247s as well, but they squeak from time to time. The squeaking is caused by the red plastic cleats rubbing the aluminum pedals, and is apparently not a problem with the 206 model's plastic/composite body. I also had a pair of PP-357s, which is the the same as the 396s, without the adjustable float. They squeaked so bad it nearly drove me nuts. Fortunately they broke and I was able to exchange them for a pair of 247s, which hardly ever squeak.|
|I use the PP357..||DINOSAUR|
Mar 26, 2003 8:27 PM
|I think these are the same pedals as the PP206, but with an aluminum body opposed to plastic. They weigh 40 whopping more grams then the PP206. I have these pedals on both of my bikes. I do not have problems with squeeking. I believe Look redesigned their cleats and solved the squeek problem. I went with a aluminum body as I took a spill years ago while riding with plastic Look pedals and it really chewed them up. You can find the PP357's on sale for around $90.00.
They have been bullet proof for me....the only downfall about Look's is the plastic cleats tend to wear out fast. I don't do any walking at all and I change out cleats about every 2 months or sooner..
|206 through CX-7||Ian|
Mar 27, 2003 7:04 AM
|Here is Look's current pedal line-up;
PP206, plastic, 6-11mn
A3.1, aluminum, 8-12nm
PP357, aluminum, 8-12nm
A5.1, aluminum, 11-16nm, free arc
CX-6, carbon fiber, 12-18nm, free arc, q-factor
CX-6ti, carbon fiber, ti spindle, 12-18nm, free arc, q-factor
CX-7, carbon fiber, 12-18nm, q-factor, cant
I ride the CX-6. Mainly because I am vain and a bike geek, my bike is carbon, and I liked the idea of the pedals being the same.
The biggest difference most riders will notice between the pedals is the amount of force required to enter and exit the pedal, measured in newton meters, or nm. As you can see, the lowest setting on the CX-6 is tighter than the highest setting on the 206. So, if you are a racer who likes to sprint, one of the upper end models may keep you locked in better. Or if you need adjustments, they also provive that. But, for the everyday rider, which most of us are, the 206 will work just fine.
|Why are Looks so Heavy compared to the new Shimano 7750 ?||Maartin|
Mar 27, 2003 7:49 AM
|If you see the new Dura-ACe 7750 it is a Look type design with a bigger platform but much lighter. why ?|
|platform size? nm||DougSloan|
Mar 27, 2003 8:00 AM
|Look vs. Shimano||Ian|
Mar 27, 2003 8:18 AM
|Well, first I would disagree with you that the Shimano pedal has a bigger platform. I would say they are about the same.
As far as weight, I suppose it is that Shimano has really kept an eye on that feature. On the 7750, the platform is hollowed out behind the axle, it is solid there on all Look pedals. They are certainly lighter, 277 grams per pair vs. 330 grams per pair for the CX-6, which is close in price. But, CX-6 also gives you arc and q-factor adjustment. Those features will add some weight.
I guess between those two pedals it depends what you want. First, a bit lighter weight, or a bit more adjustability. Or secondly, the way many of us choose, which one looks better to you and the way it goes with your bike.
Mar 27, 2003 8:22 AM
|I think the Look platforms, particularly the 206, are much, much larger than the Shimano. For long hard rides, I've found that results in the pressure distributed over a larger foot area, even with stiff carbon soles, resulting in more comfort.
Mar 27, 2003 8:49 AM
I think you are probably correct, but didn't have a 7750 in front of me to make an actual comparison, so I tried to keep that part of the answer very general.
|Only matters to a point...||Ray Sachs|
Mar 27, 2003 10:12 AM
|...I agree that the 206 platform is bigger, but the bigger platform only provides more stability to the extent that its the same size as the cleat (ie, the cleat is fully supported and isn't hanging off over the side). Anything larger than the cleat is wasted, in terms of adding stability. So given cleats that are about the same size, it shouldn't matter as long as the cleat is fully supported.
I ride both 206s and the older Ultegra Look copies and am currently trying a set of the new Shimano pedals (Ultegra level). While the 206 is the widest of the three, I can't feel any difference in stability between any of them when I'm on the bike (the float on the new Shimano pedals feels different, but that's a different question). With the relatively small Campy Profit pedals or with plain old SPDs I felt a very definite difference.
|re: which is the best look pedal?????||ArvinC|
Mar 27, 2003 8:38 AM
|I have the PP396 in the Jalabert Special Edition paint scheme. Got 'em NIB on e-bay for a song...to the tune of $69.00! Now, I've seen them at bike shops for around $80 or less.
I found them to be very well made, smooth spinning and easy (REALLY EASY!) to clip in and out of. They have release tension and float (3,6 and 9 degrees) adjustments. At first, I didn't think I'd ever need more than the 3 degrees of "built-in" float that my old SPDs had. But now, after riding with the float set at 6 degrees, my legs and knees feel a whole lot better after long/hard rides.
For the price, it's as good a pedal you can get for under $100 IMO. Plus, as others have said above, the "JaJa" paint makes them look cool!