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This is a sick case of road rage against a cyclist..........(19 posts)

This is a sick case of road rage against a cyclist..........african
Mar 21, 2003 4:54 PM
London - A Range Rover driver slit his wrist in an English court court after receiving a two-year sentence for deliberately reversing into a cyclist and causing serious injury to him and his four-year-old daughter, the Daily Telegraph reported on Friday.

Carl Baxter, 36, became pale during sentencing, took off his watch and produced a razor blade which he ran across his arm, spraying blood on to the walls, the newspaper reported.

Emily Kirwin, 4, was being towed in a buggy by her father Stephen, 52, on a Sunday morning cycle ride in the Yorkshire Wolds on June 23 last year when Baxter's black Range Rover passed within less than a metre.

Kirwin, a chemical engineer, raised his fist at the driver who pulled up, then reversed his large vehicle 200 metres into the cycle, crushing the trailer, before driving off.

Emily was found hanging upside down from the straps of her buggy and bleeding from the head. She suffered a fractured skull, lost five teeth and has been left with a squint. Her father had a broken leg and pelvis and still requires a metal brace.

Baxter admitted causing grievous bodily harm, dangerous driving and leaving the scene of an accident. Sitting in Hull Crown Court, Judge Guy Kearl said Baxter had at the least intended to frighten Kirwin. "Only a custodial sentence can be justified," he said.

Baxter, who later gave himself up, had previous convictions for reckless driving and assaulting a motorist who he believed had braked too hard in front of him.
re: This is a sick case of road rage against a cyclist..........Rich_Racer
Mar 21, 2003 4:56 PM
What is it about driving a car (an SUV!) that turns normal people into homocidal maniacs!?
Easier question: what attracts homocidal maniacs to SUVs?czardonic
Mar 21, 2003 5:53 PM
Obvious answer: the ability to drive with impunity.

Not all people who drive oversized vehicles are jerks, but jerks seem to favor oversized vehicles.
Easier question: what attracts homocidal maniacs to SUVs?bsdc
Mar 22, 2003 5:45 AM
Jerks also drive small cars ... they're just less intimidating.
That's trueKristin
Mar 22, 2003 8:54 AM
I will say that many are, but not all. On Tuesday I was driving home from work. A yellow SUV pulled up behind me and got inches from my bumper. I let off the gas (which is what the state police say you should do) and after driving on my tail flashing her lights for 2 minutes she finally went around me. (We were doing only 35 MPH in a 45 when she finally passed, me. What the *#&@# is someones issue that they can't just go around when there is plenty of room to do so?) Then within 2 minutes another SUV was on my tail (I'm doing 8 MPH over, btw) and gets even closer than the chick in the yellow truck. Stays on my tail for a full 6 minutes while my speed creeps down to 32 MPH. FINALLY, he passes me and flips me off. (For what?) Then 4 miles later another SUV gets on my tail. We're on a one lane road so I do the speed limit. The truck turns into my complex and parks near me. I was livid now, and I decided to get out and ask why she was tailing me. (I managed to be calm and nuetral when I confronted her.) Turns out she lives in my building, and didn't realize she was tailgating (a separate issue), but she apologized sincerely and was very nice. Because of the other two, I had simply assumed she was a b*$#^ too. She wasn't. The other 2 were for sure.
They should have just let him bleed..n.m.koala
Mar 21, 2003 5:13 PM
F*cking right on...Ahimsa
Mar 21, 2003 6:11 PM
Personally I like this current wave of reckless @sshole drivers offing themselves after the fact. If only they'd do it before hurting someone else.

Two years?!? Bloody hell. That's sh!t nothing.

Custodial sentence my arse. Meant to frighten him? I'm sure.

People who commit violent acts against children should be drawn and quartered in the public square. Especially ones with records of the very acts they are being punished yet again for. That judge is cracked to think that two years will keep this bastard from eventually killing someone. I hope he gets "harrassed" in jail if you get my meaning.

A. (Disgusted)
As long as soft sentances like that are given out...empacher6seat
Mar 21, 2003 6:39 PM
this problem will not go away.
and the revolving door "justice" systemkenyee
Mar 21, 2003 7:33 PM
The guy had a long history it seems. Didn't matter what he drove. He had obvious self-control/rage issues. He was a time bomb waiting to go off and it really didn't matter what he drove.

Not sure why they didn't just let him finish killing himself...probably would have done society some justice.
SUVs and PsychologyCoot72
Mar 21, 2003 7:05 PM
I believe there is research that tries to explain the correlation between SUVs and people who feel the need to be bigger/better/higher/etc.

There was also a 60 minutes program on a few weeks ago where they interviewed a psychologist who consults for auto manufacturers. The upshot: SUVs attract people in primal ways. People generally want to feel superior in physically and mentally.

So it's not surprising that a larger proportion of SUV drivers act in aggressive ways compared to the proportion of say sedan owners.

It's pathetic really. So many (but not all) people still act in such uncivilized ways.

Another point: I think cyclists should avoid admonishing bad drivers. It seems to only make the situation worse. I believe it's better to be safe and live to ride another day. Wearing yellow or red helps IMHO. I think yellow jerseys reminds drivers of school buses or warning signs and they usually give more room compared to when I wear other colors.

Be safe!

Coot
Here in the Southeast...up_hiller
Mar 23, 2003 9:16 PM
we have lots of people who fit this description. The bigger the tires, the higher the ground clearance, the louder the exhaust (ideally with no muffler at all), the bigger and badder the man at the wheel. Some folks just crave attention, probably becuase they don't get much attention for doing anything that's really worthwhile.

I like to call their vehicles "penis envy trucks".
re: This is a sick case of road rage against a cyclist..........moabbiker
Mar 22, 2003 5:29 AM
I sure hope the judge threw in contempt charges for disrupting the courtroom, and property damage for the blood on the walls.
slit the wrong organDougSloan
Mar 22, 2003 6:11 AM
Maybe slit his testicals (right off) and the lack of testosterone will calm him down -- and make him remember.

At least the Brits have the decency to do themselves in when guilty. I don't see that honourable conduct on this side.

I hope his driving privileges are revoked for life.

Doug
Wondering something....looking for a way to publically exposeKristin
Mar 22, 2003 9:02 AM
bad drivers. My state, currently, doesn't have any laws that allow me to take action against other peoples harrassing behavior on the road. And lets face it. Harrassing people with vehicles (especially SUV's) has gotten to epidemic proportions in the US. What if there were a website where drivers could post the license plate #'s and descrptions of incidents? Would that be legal to do? Do you think that someone annonymously posting a report about someones bad driving (or a bunch of reports about someones bad driving) would curb bad driving? Regardless, somethings got to give soon.
Highly unlikelyMel Erickson
Mar 22, 2003 10:59 AM
The bad drivers are not likely to visit that type of web site to see what people are posting about their driving habits. In fact, most are probably blissfully unaware of their behavior. Even if they've been convicted they may not change so I think someone pointing a finger is not going to change them.

"Take action against other peoples harassing behavior" could be another term for vigilanteism, depending on the type of "action" one takes. I don't think we want to go there. Epidemic? Maybe, maybe not. Are there statistics showing it's on the increase? Could very well be and if so it would be helpful to see them. I'm not defending bad drivers, don't get me wrong, but I think penalties for bad driving behavior have been increasing and I wonder if they've had an affect.

As for publicizing peoples bad behavior, we have a form of that in Wisconsin. It's called the Circuit Court Access Program. Go to the web site, type in someones name and voila, you see all their misdeeds. A little more cumbersome than pasting a scarlet letter on their chest because you have to know the persons name, but it's something. I've found it helpful for checking up on contractors who I might want to hire to work on my house. There's also a sexual predator list and notification system for that type of sicko. I think most states have that. Some efforts are being made but, like most problems, there's not an easy fix. No one's invented a silver bullet yet.

In conclusion, I think joe citizen posting about someones bad driving record would not be effective and could potentially get the poster in some trouble with libel.
Written public record of misconduct: evidence in a court of lawteamsloppy
Mar 23, 2003 9:19 PM
A written record, especially a public record, is evidence in a court of law in the USA (and other jurisdictions).

A public record showing harrassing, violent or threatening behaivor by an individual, repeatedly, will infulence both a judge and jury.

An RBR threat and harrassment board would see at least one post per month from me.
names on carsDougSloan
Mar 22, 2003 4:58 PM
I think we should have a law that your name, home address, telephone, and picture are on all 4 sides of your car. I think everyone would drive better if they didn't feel anonymous.

Not sure the reporting thing would help. Maybe with video...

Doug
Sure you can...biknben
Mar 23, 2003 6:54 PM
There IS something you can do. Go to the police station where the offense took place and have a summons written for the vehicle. Police officers are not the only ones who can give out tickets.

A court date would be set and you would have to play prosecutor in court. Proving wrongdoing can be very difficult in this situation but the stress of a court appearance will many people think twice before they do something stupid again.

You can charge them for a number of violations depending on what happened. Careless driving is kinda like a catch-all. Agressive or distracted driving may be a good one. It's the new trend in my area. :-)
re: This is a sick case of road rage against a cyclist..........unger
Mar 23, 2003 8:01 PM
The reponses to this criminal action are right on. It is outrageous that this criminal psycho only got 2 yrs, but consistant with general penalties against drivers in bike/auto accidents. We always will run up agaist sick drivers when riding. The driver that passes you by an unsafe margin on purpose is often having some emotional problems. This is exactly the wrong person to provoke. We are always extremely vulnerable on our bikes and can never afford to give some idiot the "bird" or fist (which I admit I have done in the past). Hard reality of road rding. I am not in ANY way being critical of the poor rider and his child that were hurt.