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Explain the engineering rationale behind these(18 posts)

Explain the engineering rationale behind theseFez
Mar 19, 2003 10:24 AM
http://www.merlinbike.com/english/bikes/cielo.html

Ti with carbon seatstays, carbon seat, top and downtubes.

http://www.lemondbikes.com/bikes/bikes_tetedecourse.html

Ti "spine" and carbon upper half.

Absolutely beautiful bikes, but what engineering goals are these bikes trying to achieve?

I've kind of accepted carbon rear stays, but I'm a little confused where the engineers think carbon is ideal and where titanium is ideal.
Rationale #1: Sell Bikes (nm)TJeanloz
Mar 19, 2003 10:32 AM
Bad rationaleFez
Mar 19, 2003 10:43 AM
I was hoping you wouldn't tie the engineering and marketing departments.

Even if you're right, how many of these $6,300+ Cielos will roll out the showroom?
Doesn't matter,TJeanloz
Mar 19, 2003 10:49 AM
Just offering a bike like the Cielo brings prestige to the brand, and gets some guy who can't afford it drooling to the point of paying an outrageous sum for a less costly Merlin, because Merlins are so pretty.

I think the Cielo was a good move by the Litespeed marketing machine to counteract the prevalent idea that once Litespeed took over Merlin, Merlin lost its soul and became mass-produced, crappy bikes. The Cielo brings craftsmanship back to Merlin.
That Merlin sure is pertyKristin
Mar 19, 2003 10:37 AM
I bet it will be worth lots as a vintage bike. If I could have any bike in the world, I'd have that one.
Nice bike53T
Mar 19, 2003 10:46 AM
The Merlin is one fine Sunday bike. Besides Serrota came out with a Ti/Carbon frame already so Merlin had to catch up. Engineering? Perhaps they are trying to capture teh light weight of CF, the rigidity of Ti at the lugs and the lower cost of bonded Ti lugs vs. CF lugs. Or they just want to introduce product differentiation.
Do me a favorKristin
Mar 19, 2003 10:52 AM
If you have to post about bikes, please post about ugly bikes. I think it is cruel of you to post pretty bikes during such and ugly economy. Merlin is also cruel to create and bring such a creature in this cold, hard world. From hence forth the Cielo will be to me the one that got away. I will always look back upon this bike as a beautiful dream that will haunt me forever.
WOW! Are you in theater?? Very dramatic. It's a bike. (nm)Quack
Mar 19, 2003 10:54 AM
It was an adaptation from Anne of Gree....oh, nevermind. nm :)Kristin
Mar 19, 2003 11:05 AM
If that's what you want, I could post a pic of my bike (nm)Fez
Mar 19, 2003 11:00 AM
I would guess...Quack
Mar 19, 2003 10:52 AM
If you're going to lug a carbon bike, why not do it with titanium? Most of the benefits of carbon damping with some benefit of the more lively feel of titanium where it makes sense. I'm sure they've done their homework on chainstays and power transfer/flex characteristics. It definitely should not feel like riding wood.

My .02.
great, now explain the lemond...Fez
Mar 19, 2003 11:02 AM
similar idea where they wanted the ride of Ti and damping of carbon, but a completely different execution.
The Lemond is probably even better...Quack
Mar 19, 2003 11:23 AM
at transmitting the road surface to your hands. If I could afford an all-out race machine that had to feel every little ant turd but be comfortable for 100+ miles, I would go with the Lemond over the Merlin. But since I can afford neither, I'll keep my regular appointment with my chirporactor and ride my aluminum.

Larry
sell bikes...yes/nosievers11
Mar 19, 2003 11:02 AM
I quess you could say they have these bike, in order to sell more bikes...but not these bikes, they are to sell the brand and increase percieved value of the brand image.

The isn't a realist performace advantage to these bikes, they look sweet and have a real lust value. (Look at bike magazine review of the merlin. "10,0000 bike")

You can talk all you want about brining the "art" and "passion
" back to building bikes, but it is purely marketing and brand development. Neither of these companies expect to sell very many of these bike, and for good reason they don't stand to make much in the long run from those models...but those model will sure help sell a ton of their less expensive and more profiable models.
There are bikes, and then there are .........................MR_GRUMPY
Mar 19, 2003 11:50 AM
There are fancy bikes for guys, and then there are sissy bikes for ...............
Ps. women can get away with having a bike like this.
I don't knowMel Erickson
Mar 19, 2003 12:30 PM
But I do know I want one of these. At only $1,100 it's a steal compared to the Cielo.
Aha - We English folk know how to build a bike:-) (nm)StevieP
Mar 19, 2003 1:10 PM
That , ........ is a fancy bike.MR_GRUMPY
Mar 19, 2003 2:26 PM
Sunday rides, no more than 20 mph.