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Differences of Lemond Steel Varieties...(9 posts)

Differences of Lemond Steel Varieties...peterkg
Mar 19, 2003 7:12 AM
I can read for myself on Lemond's website what the actual physical difference is between their two varieties of steel frames. Can anyone comment on the difference in ride characteristics?

I'd be happy with the component selection and price point of the Buenos Aires, but am curious as to whether one would feel a significant difference while aboard the Zurich, for example.

Thanks.
re: Differences of Lemond Steel Varieties...geeker
Mar 19, 2003 7:34 AM
What exactly are the physical differences? I never found the website particularly clear. Apparently the whole main triangle of "853 Pro" (Zurich) is 853, while part of the "853 Select" (BA) main triangle is not 853. Exactly which Select tubes are 525 rather than 853? Is 853 tube diameter/shaping different for the Pro (oversized and cross-ovalized downtube is hyped on the Zurich)? Are the stays for Pro and Select the same?
clarification 853 vs procyclopathic
Mar 19, 2003 8:46 AM
Reynolds 853 is only main triangle. 853 Pro adds chain/seatstays and oversized downtube. On select you get 853 main triangle plus 525 rear. 525 rear is stiffer and it adds ~1/4-1/3lbs. 853 pro should have a bit stiffer BB for out of saddle climbs.
Test riding them puzzled me.dzrider
Mar 19, 2003 7:44 AM
I could feel a difference in the forks on bumpy roads and in hard cornering. Spinning along I felt no difference in the models with "better" stays. I would have been perfectly happy with one of their less expensive frames and Centaur or Ultegra parts.
First of all, I've never ridden them, butMel Erickson
Mar 19, 2003 7:46 AM
Here goes anyway. I feel like giving an unqualified opinion this morning. The geometry is the same and the wheels and tires are essentially the same. These factors will do more to affect the ride than the difference between these tube sets. Why not ride one of each and judge for yourself?
853 vs. 853 Prochaquefois
Mar 19, 2003 8:39 AM
Originally, Reynolds made standard 853 in only the three main tubes (top tube, down tube & seat tube). Manufacturers would use lesser (cheaper) tubes for the remaining tubes (often not informing the consumer of this). However, 853 Pro offers a complete tube set for building an entire frame. Therefore, as I see it, overall frame weight is the deciding factor between a standard 853 vs. an 853 Pro frame.
You won't feel much difference, if any at all.OldEdScott
Mar 19, 2003 8:51 AM
Certainly not ~$400 worth. The BA is a terrific value.
also, shapping and head tubelaffeaux
Mar 19, 2003 11:26 AM
I agree with the others that Lemond's web site (and catalog) are not clear. However here are a couple of obvious differences.

1 - The down tube is shaped on the "pro" sets. At both the head tube and bottom bracket the down tube is ovalized. This should stiffen the frame.

2 - The headtube on the "select" is 1" while the "pro" is 1 1/8". The big difference with this is the ability to run a carbon steer tube - you can't on the select bikes.

Is all this worth the upcharge? Who knows. Ride them and see.
also, shapping and head tubeHeron Todd
Mar 19, 2003 2:00 PM
>1 - The down tube is shaped on the "pro" sets. At both the head tube and bottom bracket the down tube is ovalized. This should stiffen the frame.

That's what the marketing folks would have you believe. Ovalizing was introduced to oversize tubing so that it would fit together properly. That is, if the downtube weren't vertically ovalized at the headtube, it would be too wide to be welded together. The marketers took the opportunity to sell this as some sort of advantage. The folks at Lemond continue this marketing scam despite the fact that their tubes are small enough to fit properly without ovalization.

In case you were wondering, a tube of a given wall thickness and diameter will be stiffest with a round, not oval, cross section.

>2 - The headtube on the "select" is 1" while the "pro" is 1 1/8". The big difference with this is the ability to run a carbon steer tube - you can't on the select bikes.

This may be true with the Trek carbon forks, but there are a number of other 1" carbon steerer forks available.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
http://www.heronbicycles.com