|How long before the nuts try to cancel the TdF...||Djudd|
Mar 17, 2003 8:23 PM
|With the impending war and the jingoistic fervor I think it will not be too long before the creeps who masquerade as political thinkers on nutsy radio (re: Limbaugh and all his ilk) call American riders to not ride the tour. Though they never watch or care about cycling this will be a cute way to get ratings and possibly cause rancor...their specialty. P.S. How ridiculous is "freedom fries"? does this pass for debate?|
|I think France is more likely to ban Lance this year :-)||kenyee|
Mar 17, 2003 8:33 PM
|I think France is more likely to ban Lance this year :-)||purplepaul|
Mar 17, 2003 9:22 PM
|Yeah, the only way the French can win a fight is if the opposition isn't allowed in. Better watch out Lance! I hear they're spreading tacks across the road and calling it Le Maginot Line Part Deux.|
|this thing will over and forgotten by then nm||DougSloan|
Mar 17, 2003 8:48 PM
|hope you're right||tarwheel|
Mar 18, 2003 5:51 AM
|That's what they said about Vietnam -- it'll be over in a brief while -- and we spent 20 years fighting and lost thousands of soldiers.|
|Understatement ....||Humma Hah|
Mar 18, 2003 7:44 AM
|Tens of thousands.
This war will be prosecuted by the junior officers from Vietnam, and they won't make the same mistakes. New ones, maybe, but not the same ones. The big question is if Saddam will make the same mistakes as last time around.
I'm more worried about the aftermath. I dearly hope we find underground factories and large caches of deadly stuff he's been hiding, and evidence that he was planning to use it. If so, we'll be forgiven by most of the world, and we'll have sent a message to more dangerous folk like North Korea.
|Understatement ....||Live Steam|
Mar 18, 2003 7:57 AM
|I hope as you do that the evidence will speak for itself. There are some real dangerous people in this world. It is unfortunate that so many choose to look at the President that way instead of the psychopaths that are starving their people while building huge military machines and WMD, such as N.Korea.|
|Dearly Hope||Ray Sachs|
Mar 18, 2003 8:21 AM
|"I dearly hope we find underground factories and large caches of deadly stuff he's been hiding, and evidence that he was planning to use it. If so, we'll be forgiven by most of the world, and we'll have sent a message to more dangerous folk like North Korea."
Oh we'll find it. And publicize the bejeezus out of it. Whether it's there or not.
|'whether it's there or not'...LOL!! My sentiments! nm||Spunout|
Mar 18, 2003 8:35 AM
|It's horrable to see such cynics as both of you.||Live Steam|
Mar 18, 2003 12:35 PM
|"whether it's there or not'...LOL!! My sentiments!"
You both choose to believe someone like Saddam yet you distrust the US to tell the truth about Iraq's WMD. Well both of your sorry ass' will be spared from Saddam's WMD once we get him out of power, and you won't even have to thank anyone for that.
|It's horrable to see such cynics as both of you.||Humma Hah|
Mar 18, 2003 4:13 PM
|I'm kinda stuck in the middle. Saddam's such an obvious Hitler wannabee (he not only admits it, he's PROUD of it) that there's certainly no love lost on him.
On the other hand, we're being fed a line of malarky about Saddam threatinging our Freedom, American Way Of Life, Apple Pie and Motherhood, etc. How's the world supposed to seriously believe we feel imminently threatened to the point of justifying war?
There's something more behind this, and I wish I knew what it was. Maybe its a good reason, but they don't want to admit it publicly. Ferinstance, and I believe this is credible, perhaps SH was nearing readiness on plans to launch a very destructive attack on Israel with chemical and/or biological agents, to make himself a hero in those parts. Israel would probably retaliate in the nuclear way. Very bad for the whole area, and the whole world. But publicly saying we're doing it to defend Israel would not play well in much of the world.
I personally do NOT think its about oil, except in a very peripheral way: SH uses his oil wealth to buy weapons and build an army he's vowed to use to conquer the whole middle east.
And I believe he DOES have all that nasty stuff. And intends to use it. We'll shortly find out.
|Hang on there Mr. Steam||Ray Sachs|
Mar 19, 2003 4:44 AM
|First off, it's horrible, not horrable. Second of all, I didn't say or imply ANYTHING about likeing, trusting, or otherwise having any positive feelings towards Saddam. I think the guy is a very very very bad man. And needs to be contained. I don't believe that containing him requires a pre-emptive invasion. We have him pretty well choked off and surrounded and I think we should keep up the pressure. BTW, I also didn't suggest he DOESN'T have WMD, but did suggest that from Bush's PR perspective, it probably doesn't matter whether he does or doesn't.
I DID strongly imply a distrust of our current administration and I stand by that. I don't trust Bush as far as I can throw him. And I have a sorry excuse for an arm, so that's not very far.
It is highly possible to see NO good guys in this one. Saddam is a menace, but we're about to squander decades worth of global support and good will with an invasion that I believe is unnecessary, stupid, and, yes, somewhat evil. And I don't believe the level of threat comes close to warranting it. The downside is far greater than the upside IMHO.
So, we can and will disagree, but don't go ascribing treasonous motives to my earlier post. Dissent is an honored tradition in this country and I'm honoring it today. I think the President is wrong and I wouldn't begin to put it past him to manufacture "evidence" if it suits his purposes.
-Ray Sachs (my real name - what's yours?)
|Hang on there Mr. Steam||Live Steam|
Mar 19, 2003 6:54 AM
|It is liking my friend, not "likeing" so touché if this is the childish banter you want to display. A typo is not a reason to dissent.
If you cannot understand why it is necessary to take Saddam out after 14 years of BS from him and the UN then you are only displaying your partisan stance against a Republican President that chooses to actually do something rather than talk about it. I guess you didn't disagree as vehemently about lobbing bombs at Iraq and it's population when Slick Willie was doing it to distract the World from his penis problems, did you?
9/11 is a reality not fiction. GW stated unequivocally after 9/11 that the terrorists and terrorist nations of the World should be prepared to disarm and step down or face the consequences of their actions. Everyone applauded then because the deep wounds of 9/11 were fresh. What happened between then and now?
"we're about to squander decades worth of global support and good will" ? How about believing that our allies are squandering theirs with us? We have stood by all of them in their hour of need, but I guess we cannot expect the same from turncoats. Look at the countries that are dissenting and their histories. Russia? France? China? Germany? Their recent histories (within the past 50 - 60 years or so) is horrendous. Who the heck are they to be preaching to us, the keeps and protectors of freedom?
I am sorry, but I'll stick with my President in times of war. I will not dissent and give "comfort to the enemy" such as Tom "turncoat" Daschle.
|hope you're right||Live Steam|
Mar 18, 2003 7:54 AM
|The Gilf War was won in 100 hours. I don't think this will take that long.|
|re: How long before the nuts try to cancel the TdF...||Velojon|
Mar 17, 2003 10:37 PM
|I think Lance is about a year or so ahead of the rest of us in that he's already identified French "jingoistic fervor". As for "freedom fries" (which I find rather funny) -- this act does not pass for debate but rather for individual freedom of expression, which is something I'm assuming you are in favor of.|
|Congress will just rename it "Tour De Freedom" (nm)||Ray Sachs|
Mar 18, 2003 5:29 AM
Mar 18, 2003 5:42 AM
|Tour de L'ance sounds much closer to the real thing:)|
|re: If Lance was prohited from TDF would be bad for France||tmotz|
Mar 18, 2003 6:00 AM
|Procycist go where the money is.
If Lance was ban ,I wouldn't be shocked if a group of American companies had a race at the same time.
Offering much higher winnings,I understand about history of TDF but money talks.
|Prohibit? Ya right. Never happen. Who would prohibit?||Spunout|
Mar 18, 2003 6:37 AM
|Who the f*ck tells Lance what to do? Congress? Hope he tells "them" to kiss his texan a$$.
Don't you guys live in the land of the free?