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promoters are stupid. (tucson)(5 posts)

promoters are stupid. (tucson)twobits
Mar 16, 2003 4:26 PM
it was only a matter a time before someone died racing under such dumb race rules that don't close off the entire road to traffic.

so very avoidable. god bless garret and his family and friends.
Was it the promoters?jtolleson
Mar 16, 2003 4:56 PM
Or local law enforcement? I honestly don't know.

I think that if most event organizers asked to close off both lanes of a roadway, the answer might be "no." Then do you not hold the event?

I'm not ready to blame race organizers unless I knew that it could have been done differently.
Avoidable?filtersweep
Mar 16, 2003 5:04 PM
1- One fatality during the race in 18 years?

2- This is the US where closing a road entirely for a bike race is only a dream.

3- There is no way to anticipate every hazard in racing... even the standard release form for a cat 5 race rather says it all... it can be a dangerous sport.

Sorry, but I really don't see this as a promoters' issue- but it certainly is a tragedy.
Why do you think...Dwayne Barry
Mar 17, 2003 2:58 AM
probably 50+% of American races are crits? Have you ever promoted a race? Getting permission to close the roads either from the government officials or police is next to impossible. If you do get permission, then you have to factor in the significant cost of the added police to maintain the rolling enclosure.

A few more incidents like this one and you'll get your wish. Racing calenders nation-wide will be reduced to a handful of road races each year and a steady diet of crits (as if there aren't enough of these already).

I've never started a race without knowing whether it was a closed road or yellow-line rule (and I've decided not to do some in the latter situation). Why blame the promoter? Why don't we blame the manufacturer of the tire that blew-out causing the crash? Or maybe recognize that there is some inherent risk in bike racing, and in yellow-line racing one of those risks is a crash that forces you into on-coming traffic?
re: promoters are stupid. (tucson)Spoiler
Mar 17, 2003 11:43 AM
How many people have to die before people stop dieing?
If you raced at all, you'd know that if we waited for approval to close off a road to traffic, we'd never race anything but small crits and farm road time trials. If the first death happened after the 50th year of the event, someone would say the same thing, "It was only a matter of time.
Hundreds of racers return to this even year after year because it is so well organized, well run, and safe. Police stop traffic to let groups run by. Racers have the right of way at all intersections. What happened could be avoided if the road was closed off entirely, but by no means is it too hazardous to race as it is. If there had been no car there, perhaps the rider might have run off the road entirely, and hit a tree.
Death is sad, but blame God or fate, not the promoter.