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A rider died in a crash in a Tuscon race today(15 posts)

A rider died in a crash in a Tuscon race todayrussw19
Mar 15, 2003 9:30 PM

Cyclingnews' report on the incident.
Technical rock climbing pales in comparison.jesse1
Mar 16, 2003 5:17 AM
I've done a fair amount of technical rock climbing from CA to NY and NEVER felt as threatened as being in a pack of riders heading down hill into a 90 deg turn just before the finish line.
I hope the insurance companies don't catch on and start adding cluases for bikers like they do for climbers.
Whether racing or sport riding, I believe cycling is THE most dangerous sport.
Guess helmets don't work afterall.rightsaidfred
Mar 16, 2003 6:50 AM
I have ridden this same route dozens of times. My heart goes out to his friends/family.
Helmet saved me!Asphalt Addict
Mar 16, 2003 7:10 AM
I had a bad crash back in 1999 and my Bell helmet cracked in half. Always, always protect your self. Unfortunately sometimes you can do everything possible to be safe and fate is not on your side.
What a shameWalter
Mar 16, 2003 7:06 AM
It seems the car driver did all s/he could.

I guess it's just not financially feasible for race promoters to get road closures for the relatively few stage races we have here in the US.
pic of bikeSpoiler
Mar 16, 2003 8:55 AM
pic of bikefiltersweep
Mar 16, 2003 1:43 PM
They weren't even going very fast... that is crazy
Yeah butjtolleson
Mar 16, 2003 1:48 PM
you combine a 30 mph estimated rider speed with a 25 mph opposite force car speed and that's a major impact.

Tragic, tragic, tragic.
you don't even survive in cars at those speedskenyee
Mar 16, 2003 4:03 PM
a lot of drivers wouldn't survive car to car at 30mph in opposite directions...

The race promoter should have closed the roads...
People on this board don't get it...Dwayne Barry
Mar 17, 2003 3:04 AM
closing the roads is rarely an option (and always more expensive). It's either yellow-line rule or no race. I'm sure the poor guy who died was well aware of the yellow-line rule when he signed up for the race.

This is not a case of a promoter doing something irresponsible, but a fact of American racing. The alternative is nothing but crits, and I think very few people want that.
I've always wondered why they don't do that herekenyee
Mar 17, 2003 6:48 AM
Curious how much closing parts of the road (the dangerous blind curves) actually cost. I'd assume they had some sort of police detail.

It should be interesting to see what the poor guy's family does (whether they'll sue, even though the guy probably signed some agreement that says he understands the yellow line rule)...
You always sign a waiver...Dwayne Barry
Mar 17, 2003 7:12 AM
but that has never stopped anyone from sueing! Even if the government officials would let you close part of the road (which is rare), cops cost alot to rent. Often you do have to hire them to control intersections (so closing part of the road temporarily is possible). I don't know what this road is like. You can't temporarily stop traffic around every blind corner if there are 50 of them. This guy could have just as likely hit a tree (remember Reinhardt) or guardrail.

Whats the point of sueing? To stop others doing what your deceased son loved to do (and I'm sure as a cat. II he was well aware of the risks involved). It's not like this will lead to safer races, it will only lead to the elimination of races.
didn't mean to say sueing is goodkenyee
Mar 17, 2003 11:43 AM
Just predicting what they'll do because that's the way it is here w/o "loser pays" rules :-P
this is very sad.dont know what to say.nmthe bull
Mar 16, 2003 9:05 AM
re: A rider died in a crash in a Tuscon race todaybrider
Mar 17, 2003 11:27 AM
Actually, temporary closures ARE feasible -- on the order of a few minutes at a time. We did just that several times for the Nationals in Seattle -- when the rolling road closure went by (which covered over 10 minutes by the fourth lap), we had to sto ptraffic feeding onto the route at EVERY intersection. While we had police vehicles for the rolling closure, local clubs supplied the marshals for the side roads.

Also, when the Armondo's club put on the crit in downtown Renton, we had to stop traffic OUTSIDE the course, just in case some one dumped over the hay bails and into the open lanes. Worked fine. So it's really not a huge deal to make some temporary road closures at dangerous points, only when the riders are going by. Don't know if this particular place would have qualified for such a closure, but it can be done.