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two bottle cages, one set of braze-ons: solution(23 posts)

two bottle cages, one set of braze-ons: solutionJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 9:59 AM
so, i asked recently:

cyclopathic "two bottle cages with only one braze-on...anyone use this?" 3/6/03 8:03am

and got a minoura bh-95 from the LBS. after mounting, works great, doesn't look great, but i don't care.
before 2nd cageJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 9:59 AM
You're worried about looks ...Brooks
Mar 12, 2003 11:02 AM
with that big bag hanging off the back? ;-0 Dang, man, put a gallon jug in the bag and run a tube! Seriously, it functions, who cares what it looks like? Hydrate or die!
Brooks
IMHO carradice bags make almost any ride look better nmJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 11:48 AM
im with you on that one, haiku baby ......Spirito
Mar 12, 2003 11:55 AM
just looking at your set-up - did you get the carrier and bolts to use on a sadle without eyelets from Peter White?

im kinda looking to get the same and am wondering if it fits and works well? what does it feel like fully loaded? any sway or wobble or adverse handling?is that a nelson longflap?

ciao
spec & answersJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 12:09 PM
that's a junior. i also have a nelson longflap, and actually prefer the longflap (more space is good, even if not used, and the side pockets are nice for things that you need to access while riding). the junior is good if i'm going long and self-supported deal and am relatively close to home. the longflap is large enough to carry all the gear plus clothing for days that start below freezing and end in the 40s.

the carradice bags, the rack (it's holding the bag away from the seatpost), and the retrofit for the saddle were bought from bill laine at wallingford (www.wallbike.com). the brooks saddle on my cross-check was also purchased from wallbike. any future brooks saddles will also come from wallbike--a great place to do business. highly recommended.

i've not dealt with peter white, but may next year (for a front wheel built with hub generator and the associated lights). his website is quite entertaining, and he also posts (and is very knowledgeable) on the randon mailing list quite often.

the only handling difference i've noticed is when out of the saddle. others may be too subtle to notice, or i may have expected and accepted them before the fact. weight is a factor--but i really don't care. on the cross-check, with fenders, lights, 62oz water, it's a pig anyway.

there are two different methods i've seen for attaching a carradice to a saddle without the tabs: an add-on bar that affixes to the saddle rails, or two add-on tabs that affix to each saddle rail. i have the former. the latter looks much lighter and less complicated to install (and the latter is also cheaper).

a homemade fix is a wooden dowel just shy of the length of your saddle, resting on the tops of the saddle rails at the back of the saddle. the dowel has two holes drilled in relation to the rails, and is affixed to the rails with zip-ties through the holes. that one's probably bomb proof, and i'm not sure why i've not done that yet. if i can find a pic, i'll post it. it might be on the rivendell sight, but i don't recall...
missed factsJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 12:11 PM
the saddle on the steamroller is a san marco regal with cromo rails. that's a QR mr. flitie gel cover over it. the rack is a Bagman Sport, which i can't find on the wallbike.com site anymore. peter white has it, though.
cool thanks ....Spirito
Mar 12, 2003 1:07 PM
was thinking of the Baggins Adam that Rivendell carries but my sensibilities prefer black so ill check what wallbike and peter white have to offer RE: carradice.

the more i see 'em the more i cant figure out why more riders dont give 'em a try. bags are cool !!!!

ciao
Another way...Andy M-S
Mar 12, 2003 1:36 PM
I'm a big Carradice fan, but I prefer Flites to Brooks. So, with a local metalshop and a Breeze Seat Sandwich, I came up with this solution:

http://www.geocities.com/marchantshapiro/strange_ideas/saddlebag2.htm

Bikes ought to be useful as well as fun. Carradice makes it possible to have utility without ugliness!
very cool work there, andy .......Spirito
Mar 12, 2003 11:01 PM
im not sure if you have posted your neat idea on the bob-list but seeing your name in the URL i recall your posts on the list from time to time - ya gottta show 'em - its a super-bob solution and they will drool for days.

in time ill be calling upon my old mans machining skills to give your idea a shot.

ciao
Thanks!Andy M-S
Mar 13, 2003 8:02 AM
I posted it to iBOB and got some good feedback. It'd be cool to put this into production, but I don't think that's ever likely to happen.

Anyway, it's fairly simple--all you need is a seat sandwich (from wallbike) and a metal shop, and you too can carry your 'dice in style. I've been commuting with mine, and I like the fact that the bike still looks fast when I *do* take the bag off.
what light is that on your non-drive seat stay? nmJS Haiku Shop
Mar 13, 2003 6:03 AM
what light is that on your non-drive seat stay?Andy M-S
Mar 13, 2003 8:05 AM
Vista Eclypse. I found that if I wrapped the stay with some tape (I used duct tape because that's all I had at the time) I could fit the light easily. It's nice, because it's most visible to cars when it's on the left. And the Eclypse is one heck of a bright light! I generally carry another one on the bag, as shown in the photo.
close-upJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 10:00 AM
here's the minoura partJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 10:01 AM
necessary toolsJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 10:01 AM
step 1JS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 10:02 AM
closerJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 10:03 AM
final step (btw, minoura did not include the cage screws!)JS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 10:04 AM
afterJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 10:04 AM
use two radiator-type hose clamps--ugly functional nmContinental
Mar 12, 2003 12:55 PM
considered that after the first post response, but thenJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 1:30 PM
would i be using really short bolts and nuts to hold the cages, or what?
re: two bottle cages, one set of braze-ons: solutionFred the Cross Poser
Mar 13, 2003 9:22 AM
You probably will not believe this, but I had good luck with GE Silicon II caulk/glue bought at Home Depot. It works both by sticking and by creating a seal with the tube. I used a standard bottle cage that had a concave mounting surface. It dries clear too! So far, so good...