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girl causes pileup, gets out of car on cell phone and laughsDougSloan
Mar 12, 2003 6:59 AM
Got this e-mail from some riding buddies this morning:

"Hey guys,
Just to let everyone know about our little incident this eveing while doing some laps around Woodward lake...........we were in a paceline dong about 28 mph when a driver turned in front of the group......enough said. Chris Shuemake took the brunt of the crash and suffered significant road rash not to mention a cracked frame and some component carnage. I lost my rear wheel, but ironically it's what saved me as Chris hooked my wheel and hauled me to a stop almost immediately. Ronnie Kier and Russ got away pretty much unscathed..........I think Terry Reuter was uninjured as well. The unbelievable thing is that the young girl that was driving the car was on her cell phone, and when she first got out of the car, she was talking to a friend and laughing about what had just happened. To make things worse, she then got back into her car and drove away without giving any information, or offereing any help to a hurting Chris Shuemake. We chased her down and managed to speak with her father about the incident. More on this later. Please send regards to Chris........and let's all be safe out there.

Ming Lee"


"Tonight we did the night ride at woodward lakes. Big pile up. We were going between 25-27 when a teenage girl on a cell phone turned left right into the group. Chris Shumake hit the deck hard and was basically run over by Terry and Ronnie. His new bike has a broken seat stay. Complete write off. Ming's wheel was destroyed. Miraculously Terry's Merlin is fine despite catapulting a good six feet into the air and bouncing all over the pavement. I got away unscathed, but the surge of adrenaline caused me to twist my brake levers and handlebars to one side. The stupid chick was laughing to the person she was talking to. You'll hear more on this through the list I'm sure."

Are people stupid or what? Damn.

I want to hear how this turns out. (nm)brider
Mar 12, 2003 7:01 AM
Too bad, driver's license doesn't include stupidity test.Spunout
Mar 12, 2003 7:03 AM
I hope the boys in the club pursue her, with the police, and her insurance company to be accountable for their actions.
be patient. karma takes time. nmJS Haiku Shop
Mar 12, 2003 7:03 AM
isn't it called reckless driving? call police nmcyclopathic
Mar 12, 2003 7:21 AM
Actually, its called "Leaving the scene of an accident with injuries."Kristin
Mar 12, 2003 7:29 AM
In Illinois, thats a felony. Sounds like she's a minor, so probably no jail time for her. Too bad, she could probably use some time is a small room with bars and no cell phone. I have little patience for some of the bad driving people do. This morning I encountered this bi..sorry... lady, who crawled up my a$$ like she was looking for a new home. She stayed there for 4 miles. And from the amount of shouting and hand signals she offered me, I can guess that she thinks stopping at red lights is an unnecessary waist of time.
probably failure to yield and leaving the scene, minimum nmDougSloan
Mar 12, 2003 7:32 AM
and talking on phone, is it legal in CA?cyclopathic
Mar 12, 2003 7:57 AM
I'd definitely file report and at least try to settle insurance if not go to court. I am sure dad would appreciate higher rates and talk to his "38D IQ" daughter.
talking on phone is legal, for now. nmDougSloan
Mar 12, 2003 8:04 AM
re: girl causes pileup, gets out of car on cell phone and laughsgregario
Mar 12, 2003 7:25 AM
sounds to me like this girl should be in jail for leaving the scene of an accident that caused bodily injury.
Hope they filed police reportskenyee
Mar 12, 2003 7:38 AM
So the girl gets what's coming to her and she will...

She epitomizes how screwed up some kids are nowadays...
I'm checking on itDougSloan
Mar 12, 2003 7:42 AM
Actually, anyone involved in an accident in California is required to make an accident report, no discretion.

blonde, brunette, redhead or stupid question? nmmorency
Mar 12, 2003 7:55 AM
blonde in jeanscyclopathic
Mar 12, 2003 8:00 AM
good one!morency
Mar 12, 2003 8:02 AM
Mar 12, 2003 11:22 AM
Glad to see the photo I posted yesterday has survived to another if they would only use their HIGH BEAMS when driving.......anyway dont ley Kristin see it......she did not like how good those "15 year olds" looked.
If blonde, is she blonde by choice?Humma Hah
Mar 12, 2003 10:55 AM
... My own observation is that natural blondes are usually of typical intelligence, and I've known quite a few who were far above average.

The archtypical "dumb blonde", IMHO, is "blonde by choice". She believes being blonde will make her life better. That, to me, is prima-facia evidence of below average intelligence.
sounds like they let her get away with it.gregario
Mar 12, 2003 8:03 AM
I obviously wasn't there, but someone should have "detained" the girl until the police arrived. I've started to carry a cell phone with me when I bike, someone should have called the cops and had her arrested for leaving the scene. How big is this group and did anyone actually hit her car?
And why are we hunting Bin Laden?rollo tommassi
Mar 12, 2003 8:06 AM
obviously there are far more dangerous people in the world, and they are US!
hmm; his m.o. involved cell phones, too, huh? :-) nmDougSloan
Mar 12, 2003 8:08 AM
Was she middle eastern? nmhycobob
Mar 12, 2003 8:24 AM
dunno; probably "valley girl" type nmDougSloan
Mar 12, 2003 8:27 AM
Did they offer to pay any damages? nmhycobob
Mar 12, 2003 8:39 AM
don't know yet; nmDougSloan
Mar 12, 2003 8:41 AM
OO! you're right....spooky like Art Bell! nmrollo tommassi
Mar 12, 2003 12:31 PM
do us all a favor...AFrizzledFry
Mar 12, 2003 9:02 AM
and don't post this crap until you know what happens, because all it does is get everyone riled up! including me- i'm pissed off now. dangit!

good luck, and make her pay LOTS!
Simmer on down...hycobob
Mar 12, 2003 9:39 AM
At least we can hold ourselves back. My first reaction was to run outside and overturn the nearest car. Luckily my boss drives an Explorer and it was too heavy. Dangit, I forgot about the forklift...maybe I'll settle for breaking some store window.
I hope that you're able to straighten her out....bent_spoke
Mar 12, 2003 9:44 AM
sorry about the pile up, but glad to hear wasn't worse.

They should outlaw driving wt cellphone...but that seems too much like common sense for the govt to figure out.
glad I wasn't there cuz....lonefrontranger
Mar 12, 2003 9:49 AM
I would have taken her cell phone and stuck it where the sun don't shine. Then I would have gone ballistic on her sorry Valley Girl butt, never mind the fact I fight like a girl. Wait, I am a girl...

I probably would have gone to jail too, for felonious assault. This kind of thing makes me writhe. Forget about being the better person in these situations, I just want to kill something.
oh man, I'm in love! nmmohair_chair
Mar 12, 2003 10:31 AM
Wahoo! B$tch fight! You go girl! nmSpunout
Mar 12, 2003 10:32 AM
re: girl causes pileup, gets out of car on cell phone and laughsTri-State Cycler
Mar 12, 2003 10:04 AM
I'm glad nobody was seriously hurt. Reading this story reminds me of the lady who hit me a couple of years back. Same type of accident, I was doing 20+ when I got cut off. No cell phone but she was totally engrossed in conversation with her passenger. While I was layed out on the road she lights up a cigarette and comes over to check me out. Beleive me when you're gasping for air the last thing you want to smell is that sh*t, if I could have reached out and choked her I would've. It's amazing how ignorant and insensitive people can be at times, but to drive off and not even check to see if somebody got hurt is down right criminal. Glad she was caught, Keep us posted.
stupid b!tchEl Caballito
Mar 12, 2003 10:07 AM
sorry about my french. I get really pissed when people take cyclists for granted.

one thing is to pull out not being able to see, but another is to laugh about it.
stupid b!tchdelco
Mar 12, 2003 12:34 PM
I agree with caballito, puta sucia!!
Sure, it's the girl's fault, butStraightblock
Mar 12, 2003 10:34 AM
nobody should be surprised it happened. At least it wasn't worse.

I've done some after-hours training there and had close calls with Volvo-driving soccer moms, skaters, dog walkers, wrong-way riders, etc. Even though it's a wide, well-lit road with bike lanes, it's still a residential area and not really the ideal place to hold a high-speed group training night ride. Woodward Lake is convenient for a lot of people, but maybe it's time to look for a nice, boring industrial park where everyone clears out at 5 pm.
A couple of recent reports in Science News ...Humma Hah
Mar 12, 2003 10:52 AM
1. Cell phones distract drivers. Demonstrably, significantly, scientifically, and different in kind than other distractions. Talking on a cell phone has now been conclusively shown (as we were all pretty sure was the case) to take driver's minds off the road.

2. On particular class of cell phone has now conclusively been shown to damage the brains of rats, at exposure levels well within those experienced by cell phone users. Since this particular driver is obviously a rat, she has cause for concern.
What calss of phosne cells does taht? nmKristin
Mar 12, 2003 11:01 AM
LOL! nmSpunout
Mar 12, 2003 11:37 AM
GSM.Humma Hah
Mar 12, 2003 12:38 PM
Are you a NATURAL blonde? ;-)

Link to the article --

"GSM phones, which operate under the international standard called Global System for Mobile Communications", a digital phone standard more commonly used in Europe. They cause leaks in the blood-brain barrier of rats. One symptom in humans might be difficulty spelling.

Link to the issue with the article on cell-phone distractions (scroll to the end) --
Actually, I was born a redhead.Kristin
Mar 12, 2003 12:54 PM
"Noooo," you say. But yes, it's true!! And I have the temper to proove it! However, when I was 15 months old it all fell out and I became a plain Jane, mousey brown--after being bawld for a short time. And none of this was the cause of cell phones. In any regard, not a bit of blonde on me. Now aren't you glad you asked?

Thanks for the articles!
If I really thought you were ...Humma Hah
Mar 12, 2003 2:43 PM
... a ditz, I wouldn't have bothered posting links to Science News.

... and hands-free headsets DON'T HELP!Humma Hah
Mar 12, 2003 2:45 PM
... That was actually the big surprise of the research. Its not just holding the phone up to your ear that's the problem. Even users of hands-free headsets had trouble concentrating while using them on driving simulators.
Mar 12, 2003 2:54 PM
Sorry, I didn't read your links, but I read that accident rates are the same whether talking on the cell or to a passenger in the car. So, ban passengers?

I forget if they included that one ...Humma Hah
Mar 12, 2003 3:48 PM
... and the online ref only mentions the article (they post the full text of only a sampling of articles, so as not to discourage us subscribers from subscribing. I've subscribed continuously for about 15 years, and I'm a newbie ... they really try to encourage us to remain paying customers.)

I forget exactly what distractions they compared it to ... I'm pretty sure adjusting a radio was one of them, and they may even have included talking to someone present. I'll have to look it up tonight. It was really a surprise how BAD cell phones are.

Kids in the back seat are probably worse, but consider that a front seat passenger is generally aware of what the driver is dealing with, and can reduce their demand for attention (and thus reduce danger to themselves) when the driver must focus on the road. Someone on the other end of the cell phone does not know the driver's situation and is in no personal danger.

And maybe its worse in real life. Consider that many of the test subjects might not feel it is safe to use a phone while driving. ALL people who in real life use a cell phone while driving obviously do not consider it particularly hazardous. They WANT to have their mind on something other than driving. Such a person might not have sufficient grasp on reality to realize that causing a paceline to go down in a bloody tangle is a problem.
Chris updateMatt Britter
Mar 12, 2003 11:04 AM
This is from his Dad, Mike. Who is the local Team in Training coach, our Race club president, and member of the 2003 crash club (broken collar bone after hitting dog at 30+ mph).

...Chris seems to be fine except for major Road Rash and a sore Quad. Could
have been a lot worse. Cracked a new helmet. Broke a new bike. All of which
is replaceable. After the recent crashes and the Death of a rider in Paris
Nice I hope we all take riding with helmets very seriously.


This year has been a bad year for crashes in our club. First Mike (above); Next Brian (Cat 2) hooked in crit gets 41 stitches in calf and broken thumb; Dewayne hit by car (on purpose, hit & run)while riding with LBS owner; and Wayne (club sponser) blown front tire, goes down, and gets double concusion!
maybe we need a velodrome? nmDougSloan
Mar 12, 2003 1:50 PM
Someone around here, back in the 70'sStraightblock
Mar 12, 2003 5:11 PM
had built a prototype small portable wooden velodrome & was trying to market it. I wasn't into racing at the time, but I remember seeing it somewhere here in town. I don't think he got too far with his plans, and I don't know what ever happened to the prototype. Probably parted out & turned into skateboard ramps. Too bad.