|Is the C40 really all that?||jtolleson|
Mar 11, 2003 6:43 PM
|I have a guy I ride with. Probably one of the strongest recreational roadies (though not a racer) in my circle. He's spent the last 5 seasons on a Lemond Zurich and really gotten his money out of it. Logged plenty of miles, gotten plenty strong, gotten pretty fast. His thing has been strong distance riding, mostly (Denver-Aspen, Triple Bypass, lots of centuries).
He's starting to shop again and is ready to really drop some coin.
Sooooo, one of our other club rider just thinks he must buy a C40 (she kind of talks about it as if she doesn't know any other high zoot options, but that's beside the point. And she's on a 5500... carbon buff).
I'm ignorant about carbon in a lot of ways. I'd probably push him towards another steel frame since he's been so happy, or maybe towards ti.
He's a long and lanky 6'3". If he has Colnago lust I told him to check out the CT1.
What's the scoop? (No, my goal is NOT a frame material debate).
Mar 11, 2003 7:06 PM
|.....the C40 is all that. Plenty stiff,incredibly light, great in corners, but absolutely on another level in regards to comfort. No other bike I'd rather ride in a century. Ever. You do have to watch the weight of the rider, however...the owners manual states that a stock frame (mine is a 57cm) will accomodate a weight of 209lbs or less. Colnago asks you to contact them if your weight exceeds that (presumably for a custom build). If your friend is that tall, this might be a concern. I've had mine only a year, but no problems to date. My other ride
is Ti, and she has been relegated to inclement weather duty, and some after work rides.....
Mar 11, 2003 7:12 PM
|I agree completely with roadmeister. And while the CT1 is very comfortable too, the C-40 is stiffer in the bottom bracket than the CT1. I weigh 180 and can flex the bottom bracket of a CT1 when sprinting.|
|I think there cool.||the bull|
Mar 11, 2003 7:16 PM
|But there kinda pricy.I race and am afriad of wrecking such an expensive bike in a race.Its a catch 22 for me I guess.
1.Why have such a awsome bike if your not racing.
2.Why risk racing such an awsome bike.
I will probally get a bike like the C-40 when I am racing in masters or maybe when I move up to cat 3. But for now I am happy on my Litespeed (classic).
I think your friend would be among on of the perfect canidates for a C-40.
Check out Indepent Fabrication's Crown Jewel.
If he likes carbon Colorado Cyclist has a Fondrist P-4
that looks pretty sweet!check it out
|C 40 is no doubt a nice ride,||Lazywriter|
Mar 11, 2003 8:03 PM
|but the durability in a crash does scare me a bit. Any CF for that matter does. I don't worry about the tubes remaining intactas CF is strong, but rather the "scrape" along the pavement. Break the clearcoat which is not nearly as thick as it is on a carbon fork and your $5000 bike isn't long for this world. Maybe I am paranoid, but that was a concern when I bought my Vortex. I rode a C40 and it was very very nice, but durability was an issue. The C40 will be as durable as any material under normal use, but in a crash, I worry.
For that price, I really would reserve that bike for fair weather riding. I am not a fan of the "gaudy" paint jobs Colnago uses, but I know ride quality is sublime. To each his own. The CT1 is less than well made in my opinion. I still see a few at my LBS that don't seem to be too high on the quality control scale. I know I will catch hell for this, but I know what I see. The c40s seem more well made.
|C 40 is no doubt a nice ride,||flybyvine|
Mar 11, 2003 9:01 PM
|I've been down on my C40 in a TTT with no problems although that was not a pile up. Road scrapes tend to be limited to the shifters & rear derailleur. We had a pile up in a pace line where a friend's 5900 snapped both Top & down tubes around the Head tube.
On the other hand he was back on the road in a week with a new frame at cost where I am still waiting for my C40 to come back from Italy with a corroding dropout after 6 months (beware the grey imports - Colnago were fine about it but the food chain have screwed me).
|Another reason why I didn't buy a Colnago was||Lazywriter|
Mar 12, 2003 5:25 AM
|exactly the abysmal turn around if you ever need work done by them. My LBS who sells Colnago, Pinarello, Derosa, Litespeed, Merlin, Giant and more warned me about Colnago. I trust my LBS for a reason because they are always honest with me and they dread dealing with Colnago with regards to warranty issues and repairs. Not to say they don't think they are great bikes, but they know how long it takes to get a bike back from them. Plus, wasn't the warranty only 1 year on Colnago? Or did I hear they went up to 5 years now?|
|Ditto the turnaround - 4+ months||McAndrus|
Mar 12, 2003 6:11 AM
|A lady I ride with had to send her Colnago back for repainting (a flaw in the original, I guess). It took four or five months to get it back to her.|
|Ditto the turnaround - 4+ months||Lazywriter|
Mar 12, 2003 6:49 AM
|And the woman you know only needed a paint job. Carbon repairs by Colnago take much longer from what I have seen at my LBS. One guy needed some work done and risked riding through the race season because he knew he would be without a bike for at least 1/2 the year. That sucks and was the reason why I steered away from Colnagos.|
|you can always get calfee to work on 'em||ColnagoFE|
Mar 12, 2003 7:23 AM
|that is assuming it's not a warranty issue.|
Mar 12, 2003 3:26 AM
|The clearcoat does not add significantly to the carbon's structural integrity! You could easily re-clearcoat the scraped area and never give it a second thought.
As for the C40 debate, I don't think I could even afford to test ride one, let alone buy one! :^(
|I've never met him, but he gives good bike fit advice||Fez|
Mar 11, 2003 7:54 PM
|and he sounds like a pretty strong rider.|
|what is he really looking for?||bigrider|
Mar 12, 2003 5:31 AM
|Is he looking for something to turn heads?
A C40 WILL do that and ride great,
A 5200 will ride great but won't turn as many heads
The Zurich will ride great and won't cost him a thing to keep riding.
Just one comment, when I am going out for a looong ride I take the 5200, not my Zurich. What a nice combination of comfort and performance. The two steel bikes I have do centuries very well but the 5200 is my number one choice between the three.
Mar 12, 2003 5:58 AM
|the ovalmaster is colnago's ti frame for clydesdales. he may prefer that to a CT1 if he's strong enough. other than that, why not get custom ti?|
|they are nice, but certainly not necessary||DougSloan|
Mar 12, 2003 7:12 AM
|Mine felt extremely stable, cut the road buzz compared to my other bikes, handled well, and was much stiffer in the bottom bracket area than my EV2 or even my steel Bianchis. The paint schemes can be unusual.
I think they are the state of the art in bike design. Others might have newer features, but I think none are better or more proven to work well.
Nonetheless, there must be 50 other bikes that are 99.99% as good or equally as good for any particular person.
Think of the C40 as a 911. Rock solid, proven design, expensive, but a Corvette at half the price is just as fast.
Mar 12, 2003 7:33 AM
|Colnagos are nice frames, no doubt. But they are very much overpriced in many cases - such as the C40. I'm not sure why this is. The pricing in Europe is quite a bit lower so maybe it's just the US distribution arm that is to blame.
Case in point are the Colnago carbon forks which range in price from $400 - $800 depending on model. These prices are completely out of line with what the technology should dictate. A Reynolds Ozuo Pro, for example, can be had for about $300 and is technically equal or better than any of the Colnago offerings.
Don't take me wrong here, the products are nice. It's just the prices that are not.
|Same with a Ferrari...||ColnagoFE|
Mar 12, 2003 8:53 AM
|You can't think that the parts for this car cost hundreds of percent more than something they use for a Corvette. You pay some for the design and the name.|
Mar 12, 2003 1:10 PM
|So there is justice in the world...us Europeans have to pay through the nose for Merlin/Sevens etc you have to pay through the nose for Colnagos :)|
Mar 12, 2003 8:00 AM
|I'll pass along all these thoughts, including the kudos on the comfort of the C40 (which was something I was really uncertain about).
He's really not a clydesdale; in fact a bit of a beanpole. I'm a bad judge of weight but I'm guessing 175 despite his height.