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WHERE IS PHIL????....Paris-Nice disappontment(11 posts)

WHERE IS PHIL????....Paris-Nice disappontmentDjudd
Mar 11, 2003 3:23 PM
watching Paris-Nice today the racing was fine but ... where was Phil Liggett. Paul and Bobke were good and thier commentary was pointed. However,I have gotten used to my cycling viewing with a hefty dose of hyperbole. "The peloton is having it's legs torn off" and other such are part of my viewing experience.
No Phil, and no Tyler!Dwayne Barry
Mar 11, 2003 4:33 PM
Wow, lost 6+ minutes today after such a good showing in the prologue. You'd expect it from a non-climber but I figured he would be in it for the overall. Wonder if it was a bad-day, fitness or part of his peaking strategy for the Giro?
Dude, it's his first race!StupidLight
Mar 11, 2003 5:32 PM
Frigo, Vino, Rebellin and the other guys in the lead group today have been racing for over a month now. Tyler's racing the TDF this year, so like Lance, he's getting a slightly later start.

I like Tyler, I mean who doesn't admire the guy after last year's Giro, but personally I think his riding the Tour is a mistake: he should go to the Giro where he actually has a chance of winning. Against Lance, he'll just be another also-ran.
Dude, it's his first race!wheelsucker
Mar 11, 2003 5:46 PM
if tyler didn't ride the tour then he wouldn't know how good he really is against the best. The tour is the biggest race, everyone wants to ride it and every great rider wants to win it. Tyler wants to ride in the biggest race against the best to prove he's a great rider. For so long he was in Lance's shadow, he emerged last year at the giro like a volcano(I know cheesy analogy). I think he's doing the right thing racing in the tour instead of the giro, its going to make a great story line and we all know he can probably match Lance in the tt but definetly needs to improve his climbing.
Dude, it's his first race!StupidLight
Mar 11, 2003 6:18 PM
You have a point there. As a question of psychology, however, I wonder to what extent it might be better for Tyler to go out and win one of the other big 3-week races as a confidence booster _before_ facing "big brother" Lance.

Besides, wouldn't it be great to have two Americans beating _both_ the French and Italians at their "own" games?
The point of the post...Dwayne Barry
Mar 12, 2003 5:11 AM
was not to be critical of Tyler, but inquiring what the deal was? Since his prologue performance seemed to indicate he was on good form (whether it was his first race or not).

I could swear Tyler was riding the Giro for the GC and not the tour (or at least that isn't his primary objective).

Everyone else seems to think he's riding the Tour as his main target, am i wrong?
Nope, TdFStupidLight
Mar 12, 2003 7:20 AM
It was either velonews.com or radsportnews.com that recently reported that Tyler will be riding the TDF.
CSC is the Tour's IT sponsor.russw19
Mar 12, 2003 3:38 PM
CSC and the rest of the sponsors will benifit more from exposure in the Tour than the Giro. That's the reason. It has nothing to do with Tyler and his individual ambitions, but the ambitions of the team.

CSC is the Tour de France's offical IT sponsor. So that's the bottom line, and why no Giro.

Russ
Yeah, but they were last year too ...StupidLight
Mar 12, 2003 4:53 PM
and last year, Tyler still rode the Giro.
I suppose you have a point though -- this year there's no Jalabert to ride for KOM or stage victories.

Wonder if they'd shift Tyler's schedule if Ullrich winds up with CSC after the Coast ship sinks for good, or if they'd have him riding support for ol' Jan?
Yeah, but they were last year too ...russw19
Mar 12, 2003 7:13 PM
That was the plan if they had two team leaders to challenge for each race. But without Ullrich, CSC has set it's sites on the Tour and has said no Giro. Last year, Tyler was still unproven until the Giro as a team leader, whereas Jalabert is a 4 time world number one, former green jersey winner and has finished as high as 4th in the Tour. He was the obvious choice for team leader for the Tour. On top of that his ladder accident injury would have meant he wouldn't reach top form until the Tour.

I am of the opinion that even if Ullrich ends up on CSC this season, he would ride support for Tyler. I don't think he has the miles in his legs to compete for more than a few stages but he has surprised me in the past and is one of my personal favorite riders today. It would be nice to see him come back in a big way this year.

Russ
Tough day for Tylernealrab
Mar 11, 2003 6:57 PM
Yeah, I miss Phil too. He's so much fun to listen to, although Bobke's pretty good too. As long as we don't get that British duo that was doing some events for OLN last year. Just awful! Never knew who we were looking at any point in any race they covered. Almost seemed like they didn't have a clue either unless it was David Millar. I think Tyler's using this a warm-up. We'll see how he closes the race and how he does on the true TT, but it's a long season and he'll do a lot for CSC as the team leader throughout the year. Hopefully, no more crashes. He's had enough for a career already. Waiting word on Kivilev. Looked bad on screen, hope he's doing OK. Tough little guy that one. Lots of talent. Loving the coverage after a long off season!!!! Get your licks in now Dario, it'll be a long spring for you I expect.