|Rollers VS Trainers||pherret|
Mar 11, 2003 11:54 AM
|What do you use most, rollers or trainers?
I am looking at building my endurance and getting a 1up trainer. Seeing what everyone else uses.
|re: Rollers VS Trainers||hcswede|
Mar 11, 2003 12:06 PM
|I've got a wind trainer circa really old, and it works for me, but it does fill the dorm with it's characteristic sound. I don't really like rollers all that much- with the trainer, I can zone off and encase myself in the music i play slightly louder than the bike.
|re: Rollers VS Trainers||MR_GRUMPY|
Mar 11, 2003 12:11 PM
|I haven't used rollers in years, but I seem to remember that they aren't so great for developing power. I like fluid trainers that are adjustable. You can work on spinning, or you can work on power, depending on what gears you use.|
|Rollers are great for endurance. They are great for muscle||bill|
Mar 11, 2003 12:18 PM
|endurance -- just go to a bigger gear. They aren't bad for speed (anaerobic) endurance -- just go to an even bigger gear. They probably aren't great for straight strength development, but you get lots else in the tradeoff.|
|i'm against it. nm||JS Haiku Shop|
Mar 11, 2003 12:22 PM
|haha....i completely disagree (nm)||Frith|
Mar 11, 2003 4:05 PM
|re: Rollers VS Trainers||PhatMatt|
Mar 11, 2003 12:35 PM
|Ther is always the Rollers w/ fluid/mag or wind resistant and a fork mount so that you get the best of all worlds. I personally just have a simple Mag trainier as I had little to spend at that time, and am happy mith my trainer.
|re: Rollers VS Trainers||MR_GRUMPY|
Mar 11, 2003 1:13 PM
|I find it hard to believe that rollers can provide as much resistance as a fluid trainer. I build power by doing MTI's. It's an interval where you are in a gear so big that you can't pedal over 60 RPM. Hold it for 2 miles, spin for 1 mile, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat.|
|I have a Kreitler whatever standard set of rollers with a||bill|
Mar 11, 2003 1:49 PM
|headwind resistance unit. I've not really explored the full possibilities of rollers and resistance, but I can tell you this. The damn thing supposedly simulates a headwind of like fifteen or twenty miles per hour if you set it at the highest resistance, and I have never set it up that high. It would kill me. For consistency and comparison, I normally use them at dead air resistance (according to the measurements on the device), and managing more than like eighteen mph for any length of time is pretty hard -- quite a bit harder than on the road. I'm usually in like a 39-19 or 17, spinning away at a nice aerobic pace, but a kick up to 53-19 or higher gets hard, even at that resistance.
I guess that really struggling and straining against heavy resistance at 60 rpm's while your eyes roll back in your head would be pretty hard to manage on rollers.
|re: Rollers VS Trainers||Sharkman|
Mar 11, 2003 1:32 PM
|Can't comment on the relative merits of rollers versus trainers as I only have the latter. But I also have a 1 up and I love it. Very realistic road feel, very smooth.
The integrated bike computer option is really nice. You can track equivalent trainer mileage very easily. I would guess I've put probably close to 1,000 miles on my 1 up since I bought it, as I live in the Pacific NW (rains all winter long).
It's also built like a tank. I doubt I will ever need another trainer. The only thing I would ever look at doing in the future would a computrainer, and even then, my wife would take over the 1 up. Its also very easy to transport and set up at races, time trials, etc.
I've used mag trainers, and there is a world of difference between the 1 up and mag trainers as far as smoothness is concerned. The 1 up is also much quieter. Mine is located right outside my son's bedroom in an adjacent family room. Once's he's asleep, I can use it without waking him.
Have not used fluid trainers, nor have I used rollers. But if you want a tool that can give you a great, quiet workout, that will last a long time, you can't go wrong with the 1 up.
|re: "Very realistic road feel, very smooth. "||Matno|
Mar 12, 2003 6:41 AM
|Man, I wish I live where you do. "Smooth" and "realistic" are the same feel? I don't even know what a "1 up" is (anyone care to enlighten me?) but I've never ridden anywhere that had roads that feel even remotely close to any type of trainer in smoothness!!! For the roads around here, I'd have to custom build my own roller if I wanted something "realistic." (Probably just glue some broomsticks onto it or something...)|
|had Kreitler rollers and cyclops trainer||fcebedo|
Mar 11, 2003 1:41 PM
|Kreitler challenger w/ fan and cyclops fluid trainer. I had both for about a year. I gave them both a fair chance but at the end of the day, I kept the trainer.
The biggest thing was I couldn't stand up and hammer on my rollers. I do mostly intervals on the trainer and the rollers were just too sketchy to stand up on. On the same note, the rollers required too much effort to stay on. It would make me mentally tired instead of physical because I had to focus on my line too much. I couldn't drink water, couldn't change the channel on the TV... Strange as this might sound, it felt totally unnatural! Meaning it's not half this hard balancing on a real bike.
Other factors were space and portability. I could take the trainer into the living room or take it to a race. My rollers were too easy but it was much better with the optional fan resistance. The more effort on the Kreitler, the more wind. Now, I just sweat buckets with my trainer.
|You've said it all||Kerry|
Mar 11, 2003 5:40 PM
|You couldn't even get a drink while riding the rollers, so you ditched them? Just the wrong move. Assuming you had the rollers set up half way reasonably, the message here is that your riding style is so rough that you should have stayed with the rollers. You must be wasting a lot of energy with your inability to ride a straight line, so you should be working on a smooth style as much as anything. And then there's this whole "do standing sprint intervals in the winter" when you should be doing aerobic base and speed work (a perfect use for the rollers). PS - get a fan (or 2), you're just overheating, not getting as much of a workout as you should.|
|don't knock me cause I'm not the same as you..||fcebedo|
Mar 12, 2003 10:17 AM
I'm just trying to give insight to a fellow rider who's asking for opinions. I don't need to get abused by you.
I'll refrain from arguing with you point per point. Keep your guns drawn next time cowboy.
Mar 12, 2003 4:51 AM
|I don't worry about needing resistance, 53x12 is enough at 120 rpm on rollers. If you want more resistance, let some air out of your tires! BTW, my Tacx Rollertrack has a resistance unit available.
For base miles only, I plan to be outside by the time my force and PE intervals come up. Great to use, easy on tires, quiet.