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Does this look like a scam to you?(20 posts)

Does this look like a scam to you?rogue_CT1
Mar 6, 2003 9:56 PM
Looks like one to me. Zero feedback, doesn't specify payment instructions and no reserve on a $8000+ bike. Sounds way too good to be true.

re: Does this look like a scam to you?CORONADO FLYER
Mar 6, 2003 11:27 PM
Gotta' love the website photo...skateparks
Mar 7, 2003 3:34 AM
hmmm....maybe I'll bid it up to $10k-hee,hee! (nm)Alexx
Mar 7, 2003 4:35 AM
Wrench Science is selling the bikeSlip Stream
Mar 7, 2003 5:18 AM
complete for $8,300.
The part I like bestterry b
Mar 7, 2003 6:20 AM
Is the "will be distribute by Wrench Science and other dealers"
re: Does this look like a scam to you?rogue_CT1
Mar 7, 2003 7:46 AM
I contacted both bidders and warned them of the scam. The current high bidder e-mailed me today and said he knew it was a scam and that he was f-ing with the guy by running up the auction. He said that he was then going to request that the bike be sent COD.
Holy crap, its bid up to $12,100 as of 11:30am ESTFez
Mar 7, 2003 8:43 AM
2 bids ago it was around $1,500.

The only problem is what if the scamming seller actually ships him a bike? Then the buyer would have to pay $12,100 for an $8,000 bike.
Cancelled bids, wrong amountrussw19
Mar 7, 2003 9:45 AM
Those bids were cancelled... look again.

Yeah, rightFez
Mar 7, 2003 10:12 AM
Wrong amount? I don't think so.

He probably was afraid the seller might actually deliver. Hell, if I was the seller, I would deliver an $8,000 bike if someone bid $12,000 for it. But since the seller is likely not legit, he probably would be content just stealing the $1,500 that someone has already bid on it.

Regardless, if the $12,000 buyer was a legit ebay user, being involved in trying to scam a scammer isn't going to help his ebay feedback rating.
Cancelled bids, wrong amountrogue_CT1
Mar 7, 2003 10:14 AM
I noticed that he cancelled the bids. If you look in the bid history you see an explanation in rather poor english of "I think this bidder wrong the amount." Hmmm the SELLER withdrew bids because HE thinks the bidder entered the wrong amount. Never seen that before. My guess is that he thinks the $1500 dollar bid is legit therefore he would rather collect that money rather than nothing. I e-mailed a question to him requesting info on the size of frame, what type of wheels come with it etc.. etc... I wonder if I will get a response after he does some more research on the Colnago site.

Of course if this is a real deal auction and I could have gotten that bike for $1500 bucks I'll be real pissed for jumping to conclusions. But I think it's a safe bet that there is no bike.
Some guy posted about overseas (Indonesian) ebay headachesFez
Mar 7, 2003 10:24 AM
I think you want to believe its legit - the thought of possibly getting an $8K bike for $1,500.

But its best to avoid overseas transactions. A few days ago some guy posted about a crooked Indonesian buyer and it looks like he will lose a few hundred $$ for FedEx fees even if he gets his frame back.
re: Does this look like a scam to you?rogue_CT1
Mar 7, 2003 10:30 AM
Here is the response I just received from the seller:

"I think you joke with me,what fraudulent do you say??Who are you sir?"

Yep, it's a scam. No answers to the questions I asked just the above response.
Mar 7, 2003 10:49 AM
I e-mailed a question to the seller:

Question from brider:
What size is this bike?

Looks like it's got the Campy carbon crankset. True?

Here's the response:

The bike is medium and is Crampy carbon crankset.


Gee, medium. That just pins it right down. And I'm not so sure I'd want "Crampy" cranks -- I have enough electrolyte problems as it is! And a generic e-mail address. Hmmm...
re: Does this look like a scam to you?53T
Mar 7, 2003 10:51 AM
I emailed him and asked that he end early and work a private deal with me. I'll keep you posted.
Isn't it a Colnago Crank?russw19
Mar 7, 2003 11:28 AM
I am starting to doubt this guy... isn't it a Colnago crank? I know it only shows the stock webpage photo, but unless he went thru the trouble of replacing the two..
Colnago only sold this bike as a complete bike. It comes with the Colnago Carbon Crankset, which is actually more expensive to buy than the Campy. But it shouldn't be a Campy Carbon or Crampy Carbon crank either.

And more to boot....russw19
Mar 7, 2003 11:34 AM
He also states that distribution will be handled by Wrench Science and Ferarri dealers.... does that mean he has no intention of distributing it to you? Maybe he is selling his place on the waiting list. I have seen that with cars, but not bikes...

re: Does this look like a scam to you?53T
Mar 7, 2003 4:45 PM
Here is his prompt response:


If you agree to pay now 2000US i will close the deal with you.

Regarding shippment and payment here are the details :


There are 3 options of delivery services that are very fast :

- UPS 2 days air insured

- FedEx 2 days air insured

- DHL insured

Any of those services are good, but I personaly prefere UPS 2 days air,if
you have other preference, there is no problem.


For payment, the fastest ways to send money worldwide is Western Union wire
transfer. To arrange the transfer, you can use the web site to send the payment using your credit card,or you must
go in person to an Western Union agent. From Western Union , you will
receive a number (MTCN -Money Transfer Control Number), you must send me
that number as soon as you have arranged the payment so I can go to to see if the transaction is arranged.

As soon as I have verifyed the transaction, I will ship you the package
with all the accesories with the delivery service selected by you.For the
reason that you will pay some money for the Western Union wire transfer
fee, I will cover shipping and insurance.


The package will be insured at the delivery service for the amount of
5000$.If somethig happens on the road , you will receive the insurance from
the delivery service.


As soon as the package arrives, you will test the product and if it does
not matches 100% to your expectations, you will return it in max.5 days
sience the arrival date. In this case I will send you the full amount back
and you will send me the product in the original box and you will pay the
return shipping and insurance.

I'm waiting for your reply in order to close this deal as soon as possible
My latest com:53T
Mar 8, 2003 9:57 AM
If you are in Madrid, I have a cousin who is a police officer there. He could perhaps meet you and hold the bike at his apartment in Madrid. I will be visiting there in May for a government conference on fraud prevention and international crime. Would this be OK?
2.29 lb??? Get real!! (nm)Alexx
Mar 7, 2003 12:50 PM