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Any Clydesdales on 32h Open pros w/ alum. nipples?(11 posts)

Any Clydesdales on 32h Open pros w/ alum. nipples?853
Mar 4, 2003 2:10 PM
I'm sick and tired of waiting for a replacement nipple for my Ksyrium Elites it's been 3 weeks!! They have been bullet prof without a single problem, till I crashed. I broke 2 front spokes and one of the nipples, nothing bad happened to the rims. I hate thinking that if I had conventional wheels it would have been fixed the same day.

I weigh 230lbs and ride on smooth surfaces and a light on my gear type of rider.But, I truly enjoy the stiffness of the Elites.
I don't want to have to go the CXP-33 route if I don't have to. Looking for everyday training wheels that have a raceable weight.
re: Any Clydesdales on 32h Open pros w/ alum. nipples?russw19
Mar 4, 2003 2:23 PM
I am a little bit lighter than you, but not much. I ride Dura-Ace Open Pro's but I have the clicking problem a lot of people complain about with those rims. There is nothing wrong with it, but it just sounds wierd. For the longest time I thought I need to lube my freehub body, but it's apparently the rim where it is pinned together that makes the noise. I hear it's a common problem, but I have never heard if it's common to big guys, or everyone.
But I have had them for almost 2 years and I haven't had any problems, and have only trued them twice. Once after the third ride, and once since.

re: Any Clydesdales on 32h Open pros w/ alum. nipples?redge0519
Mar 4, 2003 3:09 PM
I am 225# and have run Open Pro 32's for the past 4 years on my Litespeed Ultimate. I had one develop cracks at the weld--too many bunny hops (yes it does look amusing for a 49 yo clydesdale to be airborn!). Replaced it with the same thing. No complaints from me.
been there.... going to CXP33'scdale02
Mar 4, 2003 3:43 PM
I've had 2 sets of Open Pros... 32 hole and 36 hole. In bothe cases the rear wheel did not hold up well for me. I experienced broken spokes and need to true them frequently. Granted, it could be a build issue as one set came with my Cannondale (probably machine built) and the other set I got from Performance (probably machine built as well).

This year I am going to CXP33's and I will build (or attempt to) build them myself. If I wasn't going to build two sets (plus a third vingtge set), I would order from Excel sports.

I also have a set of Rolf Vector Pro's and these have held up extremely well. I think the v-section on the CXP-33 as well as a quality build wil set me straigt.

BTW I am 6'-3" to 6'-4" and weigh between approx 205, give or take a few. I ride on some rough roads on occasion.

Hope this helps, good luck.
off topic - cdale02, what size cannondale?madstork
Mar 5, 2003 7:32 AM
Same height here, and have been considering a 'dale as a race bike. Per their geometry chart, I think something between a 60 and 63 would work best for me, just wondering what you went with. I'm leaning toward a 60 with a long stem (14cm).

Back on the topic, I agree with you about the OPs. I had trouble with a 36 rear wheel which may have been the build quality. Decided to switch to CXP33. Have both a 32 and 36 hole rear now, and they hold their true. Go for the build yourself, you'll be glad you did. It's a good skill to have. Built the CXP33s myself and have been surprised at how they hold up.
CXP-33 Why not?GregJ
Mar 4, 2003 3:59 PM
I have a pair of these on my bike. I think they are great wheels. I have mine built up with DB spokes, brass nips and 28 holes. You would probably want to go with 32. At 230 lbs, I guarentee you that you will not notice the couple extra ounces over Open Pros.
re: Any Clydesdales on 32h Open pros w/ alum. nipples?BenR
Mar 4, 2003 4:23 PM
I have a 190lb friend that is a lean, mean, high-torque powerhouse on his cannondale. says he has been using the same rear CXP 30 rim for several years as his only rear wheel, crashed a couple of times but still hasn't had to true it. He says he notices little difference b/w it and the boutique wheel he destroyed previously.

I'm a relative flyweight at 170 lbs. and using 32 hole open pros. My rear wheel gets knocked out of true fairly regularly (front less often) but it is certainly stronger than most race wheels. The build job wasn't that great but I would still probably do a CXP33 rear at your weight. Like someone else said, the additional rim weight at your size probably isn't going to affect your performance. I also hate the weld clicky thingy on my open pros. click click click click click click...

FWIW, this Clyde's given up on aluminum nipscory
Mar 4, 2003 4:42 PM
I'm not especially hard on equipment, but I've had trouble every time I've used aluminum nipples. I can ride 32h wheels without much trouble if I use brass nips, but the alloy ones eventually seem to break.
FWIW, this Clyde's given up on aluminum nipsBenR
Mar 4, 2003 10:34 PM
I forgot to mention that in my post above - my friend is using brass nipples on his rear drive side, says they hold up better(don't round off, easier to adjust, and don't move on their own) than the non-drive alloy side. You probably want to go brass all around if they're going to be used for training too.
re: Any Clydesdales on 32h Open pros w/ alum. nipples?madstork
Mar 5, 2003 6:34 AM
I'm 190 lbs, so my advice may be worth to you what a 150lb rider's advice would be worth to me, but I'll throw out a couple of things.

To give you some ideas on wheel weights, check out

The site may not include all current wheels and hubs, but it will give you some ideas on the relative weights of various hub/rim/spoke combinations. On that site, I ran a Campy Rec 99 hub / Mavic Open SUP (very similar to CXP33) / DB 14/15 spokes / alloy front & brass rear nipples / 32 hole combination = 1798 grams. Per the Mavic website, K Elites are 780f/965r, total 1745g. 53 grams difference.

I used the Open SUP/CXP33 in the above example b/c you said "everyday training wheels". I think a heavier rim will serve you better, especially on a rear wheel. I'm 190lbs and my favorite everyday combo is CXP33 32 hole rear and Open Pro 32 hole front. Record hubs, all DB spokes, brass nipples. Per the weight calculator, that's 987r + 790f for 1777g total. I think of these as light and strong enough for everyday use - for me. You could increase spoke count or go CXP33 front & rear.

How about Velocity Deep Vs? Many have posted about the strength of these rims, and you can go with lower spoke count due to their stiffness. In the future, I hope to build up a personal set that will be 24f/28r or 28f/28r. I will use alloy nipples on front and non-drive rear.

Just my $0.02 worth. Good luck.
I don't recommend itColnagoFE
Mar 5, 2003 1:30 PM
and I weigh about 190-200 depending on the time of year, but I routinely ride Open pro 32s with revs on all but the drive side rear and AL nips. So far so good, but then again I just use em for special events and racing. I use my 32 front 36 rear CXP33s with brass and 14/15 all around for gerneral purpose.