|best training/racing clincher tires.....period!||twobits|
Mar 1, 2003 9:03 PM
|what are the best all-round everyday training/racing clinchers out there? i remember years ago irc made a tire called the handy pro. although i had never seen anyone get them on or off by hand...they were bullet-proof, what comes closest to them?|
|Michelin Axial Pro/Carbon||Sprint-Nick|
Mar 1, 2003 9:11 PM
|Before I start... tires are like saddles. NOONE likes the same one.
With this said I love these tires. Keep them at the right pressure and if karmas on your side you'll have good luck with the. The only difference between the 2 is really the Carbon's are heavier and cheaper.
My 2 cents,
|Michelin Axial Pro/Carbon||russw19|
Mar 1, 2003 9:24 PM
|The Carbons have a carbon belt that is supposed to reduce flats... Either way, I have to agree with Nick on this one. I love the Axial Carbons for training and being that my racing is on injury hiatus, that's all I will be riding for the next 6 to 8 months. I used Conti Supersonics as race tires with good success, but I choose Michelin now because they have a great employee purchase program that Conti doesn't match.
|Michelin Axial Pro/Carbon||rogue_CT1|
Mar 2, 2003 4:39 AM
|Michelin Axial Carbons are great and they last forever, well maybe not forever, but for well over 2000 miles. And that's with a clydesdale riding them. Never tried the Conti's but I would consider it when the carbons wear out.|
|Oh, my god, I'm agreeing with Nick||crosscut|
Mar 1, 2003 10:23 PM
|Get the Carbon Pros. They are the best compromise on the market today.|
|Even a broken clock is right twice a day. -nm||SnowBlind|
Mar 2, 2003 2:44 PM
|Michelin Axial Pro/Carbon||Andy M-S|
Mar 2, 2003 7:53 AM
|Another vote for these. No puncture flats last season, and I'm around 200# running 23s. This year I got ahold of a 25 for the rear, just to experiment...so far, so good.|
|My only problem with Michelin is....||Sintesi|
Mar 2, 2003 8:18 AM
|They can be a bear to get on and off. They are so tight I've broken plastic tire levers getting them off. I can remove my Contis by hand if I have to.|
|Get the right lever||Andy M-S|
Mar 3, 2003 7:33 AM
|There's a yellow (and black) one-piece lever sold as the "Quik Stik" or something like that. One is all you need, and you will never have a problem getting the tires on or off.|
|the only people rave about Michelins are the ones||cyclopathic|
Mar 2, 2003 2:17 AM
|who've never ridden Contis. get GP 3000/4 seasons|
|I like the 4-Seasons also..||DINOSAUR|
Mar 2, 2003 7:57 AM
|My LBS turned me onto them. They ride similar to the GP3000's but wear better. I have about 500 miles on a set and they have not started to square off yet. I really like these tires. I'm lusting to try the Victoria's Open Corsa CX's......|
Mar 2, 2003 9:51 AM
|After using almost every tire ever made, including most of the Continental range, I started using Michelin Axial Carbons about 18 months ago and won't switch. I weigh 175-180 and have been getting close to 3500 miles out of a rear tire. I had three flats in 7000 miles last year.|
Mar 2, 2003 3:36 PM
|Michelin silica compound isn't that good in rain.
I remember climbing once with friend of mine in wet New England weather. I had GP3000 and he ran Axial Pros. It hurt to see how his rear tire was slipping while I had all grip I need.
Comparing to GP3000 4-seasons offers duraskin flat/scuff protection, longer wear time at expence of slightly higher rolling resistance.
Now for training tire you can't beat value offered by Performance Forte/Forte Kevlar.
Mar 2, 2003 3:47 PM
|I've heard that complaint before, but I ride in southern California where wet roads aren't a regular occurrence. However, I've never noticed any serious traction issues with Michelin Axial Pros or Carbons. I might change my mind if I spent some time riding in the northwest or northeast.|
|I kinda guessed||cyclopathic|
Mar 2, 2003 4:15 PM
Keep it in mind; my worse wipeouts happened in rain.
btw lower end Michelins offer plenty of grip in wet. My commuter has a pair of 28mm Michelin Sports with ~4000mi and looks like they'll go another 2,000-3,000. Yeah they're heavy, ride harsh and have highest rolling resistance known to mankind. Just what you need for training tire ;)
Mar 2, 2003 1:48 PM
|Conti GP3000s are too harsh for me. Didn't know any better until I tried Michelins and Vittorias. I'll never go back.|
|yes and no||weiwentg|
Mar 3, 2003 6:02 AM
|I have used the Supersonics - rolling resistance was not impressive compared to the Michies. I have not yet used the GP3ks. but yes, I have heard they're comparable to the Axial Pro series.
if on a budget I'd recommend the Axial Carbon, which is nearly as good as the Pro, but is cheaper. I would definitely race on those tires.
|re: best training/racing clincher tires.....period!||al0|
Mar 2, 2003 2:36 AM
|As trainig (not racing!) you may consider Conti Sport 1000.
They are good enough and extremely cheap (around 10$).
|better not to train and race on same||DougSloan|
Mar 2, 2003 9:09 AM
|I think there are too many compromises if you train and race on the same tire.
For training, I like Conti Gatorskins. Thick rubber and nearly impermeable.
For racing clinchers, I like Veloflex or Michelin Pro Race.
Axial Carbons may be a decent compromise, but not the best at either racing or training. The grip is marginal due to the harder rubber, they are heavier, but don't have the flat resistance or durability of the Gatorskin, at least in my experience.
|re: best training/racing clincher tires.....period!||Canadian Guy|
Mar 2, 2003 10:57 AM
|I can only comment on tires I have used almost exclusively for years now as I've had such good luck with them. I've been using Continental Grand Prix's for training and usually get over 8000 km's on the rear tire before its worn right down to the casing, more K's on the front of course. I have not had any flats now through the life of 2 tires(rear). They handle well and the kevlar beaded ones are relatively light (220gm's ish). Use the Conti GP 3000 as race tires and the Sprinters and Competition tubulars on race wheels as well which perform and last well. I can't imagine changing to another tire with the performance I've had with these tires.|
|re: best training/racing clincher tires||mrfizzy|
Mar 2, 2003 11:06 AM
|It seems to me that Vittoria is bad juju around here, but I have have great luck with the Rubino tires for training. Racing I wouldnt use anything else but the Corsa tire. Its the best cornering tire I have used (after riding both conti and michelin). IMHO|
Mar 2, 2003 11:58 AM
|I have been using Hutchinson Reflex Golds since last summer and they are way too soft, at least for Vermont roads or should I say cowpaths.
For those who have used Conti 3000/4 seasons or Gatorskins, did you notice a measureable compromise in ride quality over your prior tires. Contis might be just the ticket for our chewed up post winter asphalt. That is after it finally stops snowing and reaches 50 degrees for the first time in 5 months. (That's for you Doug.)
Mar 2, 2003 12:53 PM
|For training, I like to get an inexpensive, good tire. Somewhere in the $20-$30 range. Usually I stock up when Performance has a good sale.|
|michelin axial kevlar so far ($20)||JS Haiku Shop|
Mar 3, 2003 12:19 PM
|my everyday are axial kevlar (formerly axial select) $19.99, wire bead with kevlar belt. no problems in rain.
can't comment on race tires since i don't use any different ones. the engine needs more improvement than tires can give.
i've had one set of gators and several sets of ultra 2000s. wasn't impressed by either, and don't particularly like the numerous cuts in the tread that seem to show within the first few hundred miles.